January 22, 2010

fashion, basically. also, TEAM CONAN

This morning Tanya Gold published an article in The Guardian entitled "Why I Hate Fashion." SPOILER ALERT: it's about why she hates fashion. I suggest reading it before continuing reading this post, because then you get more of an idea of what this whole discussion is about. Also, I hope you're sitting down. Get cozy. Use the toilet real quick, so you don't have to get up and go in the middle.

I can't say I fully disagree with everything she said. I hate the size issue, I hate the commercialism, I hate 14-year-old models being told to lose weight so they can look sexy in a dress made for women twice their age. The problem, though, is how she is so general-ALL of it is uncreative and evil, apparently. But it's a broad subject. Criticizing parts of it (poorly, might I add) is understandable, but putting Yohji Yamamoto in the same category as a magazine about cellulite, dating tips, and makeup is not. Oh, and speaking of Yohji Yamamoto? He hates fashion, too. Oh, and speaking of makeup? Neither editors Katie Grand, editor of Love, or Anna Dello Russo, editor of Vogue Nippon, (you know, Vogue, the magazine Ms. Gold said she spits at and sometimes rips up) wear any.

I am sort of used to the occasional "Why would you waste your prodigal, wiz kid, Jay-Leno-would-probably-sit-you-on-his-lap-and-exclaim-'kids these days! They can use commas!'-type GENIUS (that's me, the genius!) on something as frivolous as fashion?" email. I am also, luckily and gratefully, used to the occasional "I don't like fashion at all and I have never taken an interest in it but I still love your blog and like what you're doing" email, as well. And while we are on the topic of Leno, COCO ALL THE WAY. Tonight was a sad night.

It's refreshing to me that those who can see that all the supposedly "fashion"-oriented magazines and reality TV shows are BS can still appreciate a fashion blog, and for that I'm very thankful. It's not, I don't think, a very difficult thing to do. But then there's the "fashion is stupid!" mindset. The people I know in real life that share this view hate it when clothes are just about being attractive -- then they scoff when I show them the work of any designer whose work is out of the ordinary or not focused on making its wearer look sexy. Tanya Gold, too, says that she "can look at the clothes on the catwalk now and laugh at their imbecility." So, you hate fashion that is soulless and you hate fashion that required of the designer thought and emotion. That's pretty cynical. Conan says don't be cynical. AND CONAN IS RIGHT.

You know, in the beginning of The September Issue, Anna Wintour says she thinks some people mock fashion because they are intimidated by it. And she's right. Yeah, it's snobby, but you know what? So is turning up your nose at a runway collection because you thinks it's weird and you just don't get it. This, in fact, makes the nose-turner-upper not too different from those horrible "fashion" magazines - dismissing something because it's strange. How very narrow-minded.

Ms. Gold speaks about how she discovered fashion at 13 and then dressed in a way she knew she was supposed to dress. "How I enchanted. How I belonged. I thought I looked just like the effortlessly beautiful girls at school. Except I didn't. And, very soon, I realised that I didn't. All that weekend job money and childish angst and still I looked like me. That was the first seduction – and the first betrayal." I don't believe Ms. Gold "discovered" fashion; she discovered middle school and teenagerdom. She said that before that, she dressed as Andy Pandy and was happier.

I find the idea of dressing as Andy Pandy pretty awesome. It's creative and it's fun, and that sounds fashionable to me. What Tanya Gold and many others, including myself, hate is the everyone-has-to-look-the-same-and-also-sexy philosophy, which is NOT fashion.

This is by no means written with the intentions of a personal attack on Ms. Gold, but rather, a kind of response to this idea that I see coming up often. I think that the problem with fashion isn't fashion, but how others decide to see it. The same "fashion" magazines that offer advice about pleasing men might decide that fashion isn't for overweight people, but it's Tanya Gold's fault for believing it, and if she really wanted to have fun with clothes she could. Same goes for the idea that clothes HAVE to make you look sexy. Not if you don't want to! Isn't that amazing!

I invite these folks to read a constructive runway review by Cathy Horyn, Robin Givhan, Suzy Menkes, Hilary Alexander, or Lynn Yaeger. Look at the works of Comme des Garcons, Rodarte, Issey Miyake, Alexander McQueen, or Vivienne Westwood, at the very least. Read a magazine that has not one word about plastic surgery or dieting, or at least, ignore those parts and appreciate the art (Lula, i-D, Russh, Dazed and Confused, Pop, Love, Vogue, Bazaar, W, to name a few). Be open-minded.

Her article was essentially pointless, and I guess my post is, as well. Tanya Gold will still hate fashion, my friends will still question the loyalty I have for it, and I'm pretty sure that most of the people that come to this blog and will see it come because they already know everything I just spent too much time saying, anyway. Still, I felt compelled to write it, for whatever reason, and will go to bed, my brain swirling with thoughts. I love discussing and thinking about fashion philosophy, and I wish the "it's supposed to make you look attractive" one would vanish.

Read: Personal attacks on Tanya Gold, be it about her writing abilities or physical appearance or age, are irrelevant, unnecessary, and will be deleted.

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Mr. Jerry Seguin said...

oh come on people, lighten up. self righteousness is so last season. the fashion industry is a beast, there's no way around it, it's up to us to make it more inclusive...not a list of a handful of designers or magazines but the collective of us as consumers. it's a fight we'll never win and i'm becoming a hermit because there are a lot more important things to get passionate about. XO JS

Dreamt On said...

dope. great response tavi.

Lola
x

Richie Designs said...

really? you're 13?

you still blow me away every time.
well said, for anyone adult or not.

thank you

JULIA said...

i think she hates it because she doesn't GET it. sure she understands it - maybe she even knows her shit when it comes to fashion. but if you don't TRULY GGGGGEEEEETTTTT it... you end up like her, bitter.

Annie said...

Great and thoughtful post. I really appreciate your words and your writing is fantastic!! I'm glad that I know someone who feels the same way about fashion as I do!!

Sophia said...

That post is almost dead-on what was going through my mind while I was reading the article. This is definitely an issue that hits home for me, because where I live it's cooler not to care about clothes at all.

People criticize lovers of clothes as shallow and materialistic, but what's so wrong with clothes being a creative form of self-expression? You wouldn't call a painter or a filmmaker shallow. Fashion is on the same level - it's wearable art, and there is nothing wrong with wanting to enjoy getting dressed in the morning. Basically, thanks for doing this post, because it says a lot that needed to be said :)

closet365 said...

Too right, you are. Thanks for sharing the article. Really interesting read.

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Truman said...

"Fads pass. Only style remains."
Coco Chanel

leigh said...

right on tavi!

AngryDS Steve said...

Oh Tavi... do people really send you e-mails telling you that you're wasting your prodigal, wiz kid-type genius? That really hurts me inside, even if you're used to it.

eclectic.emma. said...

hear hear! thank-you so much for bringing that article to my attention even if it was at 2:00am in the morning yesterday! it gave me something to be passionate about at that unearthly hour.
i even wrote my own bloody response because of my anger at her ignorance.
you got it spot on! it's is rarely fashion magazines that focus on size, rather celebrity magazines such as heat and ok (UK) that would make the reader feel inadequete.
www.eclecticemma.blogspot.com
x

elikonthereindeer said...

yayy open minded-ness!

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Sandra said...

Her article is absolutely one-sided. However, a lot of people have those same issues with fashion actually.

I am majoring in Fashion Design and 1 out of 3 people see me as an air head because of that. They just do not know the hard work designers and everyone involved in the fashion world puts each season to bring new ideas.

kanishk said...

she's wearing clothing. And that my friends, is fashion.

Work from home India

Your Nightmare said...

I adore fashion and she made me feel like an idiot.

Whilst reading her article it was as if she was directly attacking me and everything I love and find interesting.

Miss Penelope. said...

I sometimes forget your age. You write with such sophistication on a very open subject. Here, here for being an awesome earlier-than-Gen-Y... Does that mean Gen Z? Feel proud, I don't know many others your age that I think are awesome.

Miss Penelope. said...

Woops... Later-than-Gen-Y.

Liz said...

I can look at the clothes on the catwalk now and laugh at their imbecility.

yet, if it weren't for these things that are progressive...

anyway, the ambiguity of word use in the article is infuriating. its as if an art student were attempting to write an informative essay on.. soil science? but a few things: 01 fashion is unequal to clothes 02 disengaging mind from body is dangerous and we cannot disagree that we are, in a way, physically extended into the things we create. man=shoe. man=building. so... to hate these things? have a sense of humor.. 03 hussein chalayan: AFTERWORDS collection. a/w 2000-01... enough said.

Lucy said...

I agree with everything Tavi said. I read the article and she REALLY doesn't like fashion. I did read the article and agreed on how she thought about modeling. Teens are way too young to be pressured into modeling and sometimes that is NOT what they want to be doing.

Michael Oats said...

Hi, I just passed by to say I like your blog and you. xxxx Michael.

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DMM said...

Dear Tavi,

I e-mailed you a few days ago, requesting an interview for De Morgen Magazine. I was wondering whether you had had a chance to consider this yet. If you are interested, please don't hesitate to contact me!
Kind regards,
Laura Meyvis
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RP said...

Thanks for your insightful and fresh take on the issue. I hope my daughters grow up to be as independent as you are...yay tavi.

amyw said...

The critics simply DO NOT GET IT. Dismissing fashion as a whole because of personal discrepancies is beyond snobbish. I also agree about dismissing a runway collection because it's "weird" or you wouldn't "see it on the street." Art is art. Deal with it, people.

mau said...

I always enjoy reading your texts !
Your blog and your hair, both is amazing !

LOVE FROM GERMANY

Kionon said...

I wouldn't normally post twice, but I'm surprised at some of you.

Scrolling through the comments, I see Ms. Gold being called a "bitch," claims that she is mentally unstable or otherwise lacks intelligence...

A number of posts have already been clearly removed by Tavi, and yet a few remain that just flabbergast me. This is inappropriate behavior, and you ought to be ashamed. Whether you agree with Tanya Gold or not, she has been a journalist for quite some time, and deserves the respect one gives to an opponent in civilised discourse.

Besides, Tavi specifically asked you NOT to act this way, so not only have you shown disrespect to Tanya Gold, you have shown disrespect to Tavi in "her own house" so to speak.

For shame.

Jessi said...

i rarly ever respond to posts (mainly because i'm lazy)... but i really appreciated your post.

while i understand how Tanya traveled the road to her unfortunate attitude towards fashion... i dont' agree with it. i'm 27... i'm not and never have been model thin or model tall... i've never really "had the body" for bikinis... or had the patience for towering heels...

but just because i personally choose to dress for comfort and cuteness vs. societal sexiness doesn't take away from someone else's choice to dress however they want.

i like to be creative in my own ways and dress in a way that makes me feel like myself. myself usually involves mary janes, cardigans, scarves and fun printed purses. someone else might be killer heels (i don't mean that in a bad way) and coach bags or whatever...

doesn't take away from me at all and its most certainly not a personal attack on my choices.

basically you just have to be yourself at all times and feel comfortable in your own skin. obviously Tanya has finally come to that point in her life... i just wish she woudln't be so judgemental of others and enjoy everyone for their own expressions...

i don't know... i'm rambling... :)

Jessi said...

i rarly ever respond to posts (mainly because i'm lazy)... but i really appreciated your post.

while i understand how Tanya traveled the road to her unfortunate attitude towards fashion... i dont' agree with it. i'm 27... i'm not and never have been model thin or model tall... i've never really "had the body" for bikinis... or had the patience for towering heels...

but just because i personally choose to dress for comfort and cuteness vs. societal sexiness doesn't take away from someone else's choice to dress however they want.

i like to be creative in my own ways and dress in a way that makes me feel like myself. myself usually involves mary janes, cardigans, scarves and fun printed purses. someone else might be killer heels (i don't mean that in a bad way) and coach bags or whatever...

doesn't take away from me at all and its most certainly not a personal attack on my choices.

basically you just have to be yourself at all times and feel comfortable in your own skin. obviously Tanya has finally come to that point in her life... i just wish she woudln't be so judgemental of others and enjoy everyone for their own expressions...

i don't know... i'm rambling... :)

theoni said...

I really love fashion and I can't see a reason why we should consider it as something demonic. As it happens with most of the things in life, nothing can be bad or evil on itself. It's the way that we use fashion, in order to make our days more beautiful and creative. Doesn't matter the size; I believe that no matter what size, one can still be well dressed and use their imagination, so as to show that we are not all of us identical(as we're not in any case).
Just see the positive side of the life and keep from what is called "fashion", what suits us best!

Sauniell said...

Fashion is a form of art that should be used to express one's personal taste,style, & creativity. It is subjective like all art. If one thinks that it's to make them attractive then they will inevitably come to hate fashion.

I love fashion and have loved it since I was 11yrs old. My body has changed and I may not be able to wear everything that I used to but my love fashion has not changed b/c it is my chosen form of art.

Natalie Charlotte Turner said...

Stongs words from such a young girl! Your are amazing! :)

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chamber said...

such a fabulous writer, i could have never written that when i was your age!! i love your fashion philosophy and agree with pretty much everything you've written - it's from the heart and i think that's what makes you so special. you're deeply passionate like i am, and i hope you never lose that within you. x

chamber said...

such a fabulous writer, i could have never written that when i was your age!! i love your fashion philosophy and agree with pretty much everything you've written - it's from the heart and i think that's what makes you so special. you're deeply passionate like i am, and i hope you never lose that within you. x

chamber said...

such a fabulous writer, i could have never written that when i was your age!! i love your fashion philosophy and agree with pretty much everything you've written - it's from the heart and i think that's what makes you so special. you're deeply passionate like i am, and i hope you never lose that within you. x

Prince Alban said...

There are two kinds of fashion :
COMMERCIAL fashion and ARTISTIC fashion

The problem is that people confuse the two things.

Sometimes, they come together, but there is often a huge gap between them.

Fashion industry will launch new products to sell as often as possible, but their creativity is very limited, because of economic problems.

Fashion as an art is reserved for an elite and only knowledgeable people can understand.


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Prince Alban said...

There are two kinds of fashion :
COMMERCIAL fashion and ARTISTIC fashion

The problem is that people confuse the two things.

Sometimes, they come together, but there is often a huge gap between them.

Fashion industry will launch new products to sell as often as possible, but their creativity is very limited, because of economic problems.

Fashion as an art is reserved for an elite and only knowledgeable people can understand.


http://www.princealban.com

stylespotterfashionblogger said...

People who hate fashion don't understand it. They don't realize it is there to have fun with and can help them feel better about themselves.

I work in a boutique and I am sick of people looking at dresses and saying "£1000...I could of made that! And look at it, just two pieces of funny coloured fabric"..I really want to say "well, you didn't design that, did you?No, Dries Van noten did. And it's not just any old two pieces of fabric.. it's beautiful silk..it's amazing, please leave the store!"

Some people just don't get it. Fashion is a form of art, and some people are too narrow minded to appreciate art!

Subversive said...

Mrs. Gold reminds us all of that specific person who is so narrowed minded and skeptical about fashion. Living in the Northwest suburbs of Chicago, I grew up with people like this. High school I got made fun of all the time. Thanks to blogging I discovered there are people just like me. Thanks guys =)
I love fashion and I live for it. I know most people who enjoy Fashion Week and enroll in a fashion major are consider "unintelligent" but yet we are the ones predicting and foreseeing the future. The fashion industry is growing more every year. Yes, I can agree there are some aspects of fashion that arequestionable. But everything comes with a dark side.
Overall, some people are intimated and don't understand fashion. Just don't mock and make fun of something you don't understand. Its annoying.

pow said...

you are a genius, i know that some day you'll be a great fashion writer. You are the most intellectual and mature blogger that I have seen so far. I wish you a long life. Kiss

w. said...

i love you tavi.

Maile John said...

The thing I have always loved about fashion is that it is totally personal.I love, what in my eye, are beautiful clothes but what I relish can be total trash to another. Because of the subjective nature of personal taste, the general tone of the article falls a bit flat with me. I dont look to fashion to be trendy, or to want a body I can never achieve. I love it simply because it is fun, silly and at times ridiculous.

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 Mommy Drinks Style said...

Fantastic rebuttal!

It seems to me Tanya has a bad relationship with her image. It's not about being fat, or ugly. It's about needing to fit in. For her she used fashion to fit in. And in the end if left her wanting. It reminds me of those who use shopping to "fill a void".

Just because that's what it does for her, it doesn't mean that's what it does for us all. How else would you explain the creative designer, young at 13 or older, who sits at home, and creates an artistic piece, to wear as an art piece, fashion or for fun.

Some of us dress up cause we like to. It does make us feel good. It's not about fitting in for me. What I wear is not at all what my friends wear. BUt I feel smart and "me" in what I wear. And I also like to put on boots and jeans and a T-shirt, and I'll feel the same. I do admit, when I'm feeling thin, I can wear anything, dirty or clean, undesigned or not, and feel quite right. But if Im feeling pudgy, the only thing that will brighten me up, is some smart outfit I have, that just draws my attention from my inner sulk, and lifts my spirits a bit.

I say, ba hum bug to Tanya Gold.

I'm 44, and I do not feel disenchanted by fashion in the least.

One last thing. I think her rant, was quite mean spirited, don't you? And I do agree, with what you said.. it's not that there isn't some evil that exists in the "industry", but we shouldn't group the whole thing into one bad seed.

all my best, Suzanne
"mommydrinkstyle"

Style's New Intern said...

Original insight, Tavi! :) I LOVE that you anylyze situations for the love of fashion. You are my hero and role model. (I think we are the same age too) check out my blog?
http://stylesnewintern.blogspot.com/

Emilie said...

While I agree with virtually everything you're saying, and of course you're entitled to your own opinion, I don't understand why you're against (or wish it would vanish at least) the concept that fashion should make someone look attractive. For example, I often find myself in arguments with my sister over music. She doesn't understand how I can dismiss music when I think the lyrics are uninspiring and stupid. What she doesn't get is that, I like a good melody as much as anyone else, but what is really brilliant is when someone can combine vocals, melody, and lyrics. That, to me, is music. I see this as similar to fashion. To me, great fashion is both artistic and inspiring AND 'makes you look attractive'.

rayon said...

Thank you for your words,your eloquence,your sparkle.
your magic needs to be spread.I´m working on that.

(berlin,germany)

Mary said...

"What Tanya Gold and many others, including myself, hate is the everyone-has-to-look-the-same-and-also-sexy philosophy, which is NOT fashion."


I had one of those lightbulb moments while reading this, namely Fashion =/= Sexy. I mean, you may feel more confident because you're wearing things on your body that make you feel good, and that may make you appear sexier to other people, but that's not the point. It's not about pleasing other people at all.


It's so obvious and yet I never saw it before, so thank you!

trudie angelica ruth said...

i think you are amazing, spot on.

Lecon de vetement said...

Amen

Emily said...

Tavi! Couture? http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/01/25/reporter-watches-dior-sho_n_436111.html

the iron chic said...

Do you even believe all this is happening?


http://jezebel.com/5456560/tempest-in-a-trilby-fashion-blogger-tavi-gevinsons-hated-hat

the iron chic said...

Oh and well written post Tavi.
I get irked when fashion people feel they need to defend fashion as important as art. It doesn't need to be said anymore. Fashion is hard. It takes skill and creativity.
If every human on Earth was suddenly wearing the same burlap sack, the world would be very depressing.

F.O said...

I appreciate the way you pointed out that the elitist nature of fashion and narrow minded ignorance are equal in snobbery. It's something I, myself have difficulty coming to terms with.

Jem said...

i really appriciated this post commenting on Tanya Golds article, you perfectly summed up my feelings about fashion and style inresponse to her opinion of it. I really agree with your point that it is possible to read magazines which don't feature dieting/being model skinny. personally I think those are the ones which I find the most inspiration because I dont have to look at adds all the time and feel the pressure of living up to these expectations put forth by other magazines. What a great post, it really made me think Tavi! :)

Benjamin Rood said...

This is such a well thought-out argument Tavi. This is my first visit here and I am so impressed with how erudite and clever you are. I have been very 'Anti' the idolisation of your blog and your person, but what your blog makes me realise is that I am actually against the write-ups in the press you have been getting. They write badly, you do not. Important not to get those two confused.

Benjamin Rood said...

It's to the fashion industry's credit that they like you and invite you to their shows, and more. There is something quite disarming and admirable about it, in fact. After all, whilst there are many dull and just plain dumb people in the industry, there are also many people who are very bright and gifted - especially the designers you respond to -and I think they are attracted to someone they understand and find very interesting. Perhaps it is part of the so-called "continental" thing, where they admire and adore children, rather than the Anglo norm of either ignoring/constraining/bullying their children. That was certainly my experience as a child when the family hopped over the pond. :-)

eve said...

Tavi- i love reading your blog every morning. Your blog reminds me of how and why I love fashion and art. You have a really special and distinctly important voice in the fashion world and the world at large.

Your contribution and talent and the way it affects and will affect people is hard to quantify, but I just wanted to say thank you!!!!!

Maddie said...

I'm in agreement
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hannah said...

well said. fashion is art!! fists up!

christie ! said...

Don't know if you read all these, but I was on the fence and I like your response! I agree with it, but I wish everyone else in the fashion industry thought like you too instead of the overabundance of shallow thoughts that is the reality. (or at least the way mainstream fashion that the average person shops for is portrayed)

brendan stampley said...

very well thought out, and, a very mature response. good post.

http://beauteexterne.blogspot.com/

girl said...

Is it a complete coincidence that Tanya Gold's initials are the same as Tavi Gevinson's?

Pashupati said...

http://blogs.lexpress.fr/cafe-mode/2010/01/chez-dior.php
Hey, please, what is the title of the book you're holding on the photography on this website? (your blue hair look greater than on the photography you precedently posted here)

Sunna said...

You look great on Géraldine's blog
http://blogs.lexpress.fr/cafe-mode/

lippardi said...

I believe that this article is just, like so many other issues in life, the confusion of a single word.This article seems to be more about societies pressure against woman in general, or in fact the human being. Whereas many aspects of fashion doesn't do much to combat it, at the same time, you can not blame it for the evil that is done. Fashion is a very fragmented field. One of this fragments, which unfortunately is a rather large fragment, is consumerism. It is consumerism, advertisement etc. which makes us feel inadequate. If peoples lives were fulfilled, they would not need to consume. But consumerism is not only fashion, it is apperant in all areas in life, and it is constantly questioning us if we are successful in life. Gold calls this fashion, but I find this a complete misnaming of the issue.

Maddison said...

Tavi, this is a good discussion.

Fashion is what you want it to be-let it be merely clothes to wear, or a way to express your individuality and style. Being Fashionable isn't all about wearing designer clothes and dressing the same as everyone else, its about being creative and wearing fashion that makes you feel gorgeous just the way you are, and give your confidence.

I do agree with some of the things Tanya Gold said. About young models made to be an unhealthy weight during their teenage years when they are still growing, and how they are made to wear inappropriate clothing for their age.

I disagree with her when she says she 'Hates Fashion', like you said Tavi, she is so general and that Fashion is a big industry.

Also, she says that all models are depressed and unhappy with the way they look. In my opinion, that is not true.

Some of the most successful people in the world worked in Fashion, such as designers, models, writers, editors, etc etc.

The Fashion Industry is an amazing thing, it allows people to have their own style and opinion, and I really like Fashion.

Aviv°Berlin said...

Your Blog's great, me and my roomates have a lot of fun reading it!

Your last post reminded us immediately of the Mercedes-Benz-Fashion Week 2010 (Berlin). We visited it and made the experience, that after some shows the audience was quite insecure, indignated or felt "tricked" (to keep the etiquette ;)) Others swore that they never ever visited a fashion show again...

I got the link to some of those "special shows"

http://www.mercedes-benzfashionweek.com/shows/patrick-mohr.html

http://www.mercedes-benzfashionweek.com/shows/little-shilpa.html

And unfortunately the shows, the did not understand, determined their picture of fashion-especially german fashion. So we had a few discussions with other people, trying to point out the different aspects of fashion...The hardest discussion was with a very good looking, Prada-Bag wearing women. She insisted that fashion's something clear, something you understand right from the start. And than... this was so hilarious...fashion is something you can PAY for. And because, the women argued, you're paying for a bag or a dress it's making this piece real fashion and real (soory, she jused this word) hot. Fashion for her was simply Money. Maybe she should buy a dress made out of credit cards...Pfffffff....

Uh, University's not waiting...

LadyNoir said...

The thing I didn't like about her post is that she generalize tooo much! I love fashion too but I didn't follow anything fashion system tells.I have my particular style wich is personal ans so a lot of girls I guess.

ps: sorry for my grammar but I'm italian...

Marta

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pow said...

Anna’s plan to destroy Paris Fashion!
In the world where the internet exists, everyone knows every detail that it going on at the industry. The most talkative blogger, who has it all! Brian Boy, informed use that Anna had a meeting with the head of French ministry of industry.
She has ideas to support young designers and also to protect big luxury brands like Dior and Hermes from recession.
As WSJ says Anna is responsible for the NY fashion growth, and we should not forget that whatever Anna did was without any help or loan from the government. There are ideas about giving loans to the fashion brands. It is socialist fashion and no one can survive from this horrible concept. Only a talented gentleman like Karl Lagerfeld would understand what a tragedy it could bring to the fashion industry.
Soon the French National Assembly would start sessions to decide what fabric we should use at the next Chanel couture show. The worse result is what happens when the anti fashion groups start protesting against us!? Anna! Your choice would destroy Paris fashion.
In the world of luxury no one needs the help of government, a truly luxury brand is a brand that would survive at any economic circumstances. It’s so easy, think that you have 1000 members at a community and only 10 people could afford your product. No matter what income they have, those 10 people would always be your target costumer. If sending free goods to celebrities or using bloggers to support the products no longer works, we should blame the Hermes’s and Dior’s Marketers.
Those marketers work for the people who can not afford the products. Its non-sense, the target costumer it not the one who earns less that 200k$ a year, and those who earn would not spend their time looking at the celebrities.
The fashion industry growth is done without the help of the government and it’ll continue to do so. Let’s face it there is nothing incredible about a Hermes bag, other than marketing, and so the costumer would rather to buy a bag from a good Marketer not a good designer with the government support!
I can see the collapse of the Paris fashion after such decisions. They just do not get it! Poor people already hate fashion world probably because Anna says they are left out, but after such decisions and spending their money to build luxury brands I’ll give them the support to protest against our world ( as Anna says at the beginning of September Issues).
The only intelligent man who works in fashion industry is Karl Lagerfeld. He knows that fashion needs to be advertised; He has the incredible business power. He has done a great job at Chanel, and I know he would not believe on communism. As a truly capitalist he knows what a luxury customer wants, it’s better to just listen to him rather than Anna who has plans to destroy independent Paris Fashion industry.

fashion soldat said...

who will remain once the goldrush is over?

i wonder

Elis said...

i read your post and tanya gold's post about her hatred of fashion and i really enjoyed reading what you had to say. you're very articulate and i'd just like to say keep up the great work :)

stylishsarah said...

http://dossierjournal.com/fashion/do-larger-silhouettes-really-mean-larger-sizes/

what do you think about this tavi?

style said...

Great discussion Tavi!

http://thestylecurator.blogspot.com/

simonesays said...

Yep, just another reason you are the flipping best. You say the things I can't put into words.

cutandsew said...

I would just like to point out that I'm very jealous. I was reading an article on Chanel's Haute Couture collection that launced today and I noticed that in the article it said you were sitting front row! Well unless there is someone else in the world named Tavi, but I kind of doubt it.

The article is at: http://nymag.com/daily/fashion/2010/01/chanel_haute_couture_highlight.html

SOO JEALOUS!

Monica Bedi said...

i love fashion
you love fashion.
fashion makes the world go round.

love you tavi!

sincerely, the fashionista from
thesilentswagger.blogspot.com

Magdalena said...

While this topic is important and I do have an intelligent opinion... I have a pressing question... HOW IS FASHION WEEK?! I read on style.com I think that you're sitting front-row (or sat) at the Chanel Couture show! How was it? I cannot wait to read about it.

stylishsarah said...

http://dossierjournal.com/fashion/do-larger-silhouettes-really-mean-larger-sizes/


what do you think Tavi?

L said...

Wow Tavi, you have beautifully written exaclty what I felt and thought after reading Tanya's article.
Your writting is very admirable, and thanks for knocking some knowledge, sense and curiosity into these ignorant narrow-minded people's minds.

Sarah said...

I agree that Ms Gold is too general about fashion. She ignores the side of it that can be creative, fun and empowering. 'Fashion' as an entity is not any of the things she says. But the fashion industry as a whole does come with snobbery, flat-out exploitation of underage models, abuse, racism and a hell of a lot of bitchiness. So I see where she's coming from.

Can you ever completely divorce the really ugly parts of fashion from the great things about it? I think yes. Fashion isn't evil in itself, it's the people in the business who sometimes are, and those are the ones who should be shunned and ignored, in favour of truly creative individuals. Good post.

HC said...

Tavi girl you rock!

hackaday said...

Hello it's my first time in your blog ever. It 's really cool. Keep up with the good work.
If you want check out my blog: http://cyglobe.blogspot.com. Greetings from Greece.

up and down town said...

I don't know if I should be happy or scared that I agree so much with someone more than half my age.
Love for fashion knows no age, I suppose.
I felt a teeny tiny bit sorry for Ms. Gold actually. I feel a teeny tiny bit sorry for everyone who doesn't wildly love wonderful clothes.

up and down town said...

I don't know if I should be happy or scared that I agree so much with someone more than half my age.
Love for fashion knows no age, I suppose.
I felt a teeny tiny bit sorry for Ms. Gold actually. I feel a teeny tiny bit sorry for everyone who doesn't wildly love wonderful clothes.

maria luisa said...

hey gorgeous you are on style.com have you seen it? your writing style is amazing, you keep blowing my mind off every time i read one of your posts

FASHION DOOHICKEy said...

Then why is she wearing clothes? she really annoys me. LOL

go go tavi! :)

SarahELizand said...

Just want to say I'm going to avoid the "I HATE FaSHION RAWR" part and go on to miss i forgot her name already. After reading her article I could tell she put her angry heart into it. Her way of describing things really was well done. She had a voice as do you in your writing. Although she was openly general it still was a nice read that was rather passionate, and I can appreciate that. your post was just as passionate as hers. (I've been doing essays lately in english which is why I wrote the above)
I could probably babble on about fashion and how this woman is wrong but I won't, i'm sure you've got enough to read =)

cocojennifer said...

words of wisdom

Kamie Chang Kahlo said...

I guess I agree with Carrie Bradshaw in that fashion (or shoes) are god! It is what I worship. It is what I pray for. It helps shape me and for that I am ever thankful. Can't you just hear the angels singing?

ModestMix said...

Hello. I love you.
Ahem, ok now that that was established, I just want to say that I am incredibly impressed by your maturity regarding an article that you didnt agree with. Anyone else would have just bashed the writer and her opinions but instead you provided plausible counter arguments to justify why you disagreed with her. Every sentenced impressed me (mostly, of course,because of your young age) and I could not have written a response anywhere near as good as yours if I tried my hardest.Kudos to you, dear.

ModestMix said...

Oh yes,and I also wanted to add inmy 2 cents that fashion is just art for the body,which is never seen that way by others:)

Maddison said...

Hey Tavi,
This is a great discussion!

Please comment on my blog at
www.missfashionchic.blogspot.com

Thanks, x x

DRSP said...

Hii..Great Article. I know about you 'tavi' from One of Magazine in Indonesia. I read your article one by one and it was so controversial with other. I like it. You are a 13 year old who make a new color to the world.

Regards,

Devy Online

DRSP said...

Hii..Great Article. I know about you 'tavi' from One of Magazine in Indonesia. I read your article one by one and it was so controversial with other. I like it. You are a 13 year old who make a new color to the world.

genie espinosa said...

hi! didn't know of you since today (and it was because a review in a spanish newspaper about Chanel "neo baroque"!) you're such an interesting girl! follower since today! :D
regards!

Sleekit said...

Hi Tavi,

If you ever get through these comments

Check out my latest post if you like Alexander McQueen

Sleekit x

emma esch said...

You would make a fabulous philosopher. Much better then me, actually.... Damn. How unfair this world is..!

Claire said...

In many ways I agree with you however i don't think the article was pointless. She expressing a feeling among women which is probably more common than most poeple realise. I agree with you that her feelings were directed to just one interruptation of "fashion". Fashion doesn't have to mean following what High fashion expects of you. It can and is for me, a healthy expression of my creativity.

Hilary said...

Thank you for reminding us that fashion is not just something you slap on your body so you don't violate public decency laws. Fashion is an art form, and I know I tend to forget that sometimes. I work in a consignment shop, and see so many clothes and accessories that I just get sick of it. Though I think now I'll try looking at the clothes from an artists point of view from now on...make life more interesting if just for a bit :)

Pretty Morose said...

You are so articulate and amazing. Thank you thank you thank you for existing! x

stephen said...

Very well written, and refreshing

Sandro said...

fancy having a wikipedia article at 13 years of age!
i'm jealous... and congrats!

ranny said...

geezz a lot of coments hohoho i know ur blog from magazine in my city..how great,for blogger ur page rank google so high ;)
proud of u ^.^ keep writing n blogging

i love ur posted..fashion is neva die..i love fashion and neva know whe they hate it..

Sally said...

Thanks for this! I read "Fresh Lipstick: Redressing Fashion and Feminism" a few years ago, and it helped me sort out legitimate, female-loving critiques of fashion from the rounds and rounds of petty criticism. People express themselves through their appearance, it's that simple. It's not good or bad any more than speech is good or bad - it depends on who's talking and what they're saying. I forget the author's name but she made a really awesome point about how makeup isn't really about looking more fertile (like all those idiotic studies say), but about making yourself look more dramatic - and false eyelashes, colorful eyeshadow, etc., are all ways to look more expressive onstage or in real life. I don't generally put a lot of energy into my appearance, but I like seeing people who do, they brighten up my day, and I love taking the time occasionally to do fun things with the way I look.

Keep it up Tavi and we'll all be reading your book in a few years :)

Laura said...

I'm tired of seeing models who look the same marching down the runway. I Agree with her in that sense. I respect fashion as a creative outlet though I'm dismayed to see items at a) wouldn't look good on other body types (I think designers need to challenge themselves and design for a greater variety of body types) and b) a lot of items are ultimately just not wearable (except for people like you Tavi who are just way more ballsy then the rest of us)! ALSO I just wanted to let you know that I highly impressed with you and you are the most intelligent 13 year old I've ever encountered!

Tomorrow said...

Tavi, it is at times like these that you prove that it is not just your fantastic persona and creativeness in all aspects of style that make you such a talented blogger. It is also your ability to write! If the guardian printed this article I would not be unimpressed by the quality of writing and the backing up of points... infact I would say you right with much more flair and style and your points are far better justified than Tanya Gold's.
Well done you!!
And after all that nonsense and praise, I just wanted to say how tres envious I am of your new hair colour! If you look on my profile on lookbook, my blog, facebook, any website I am on it will tell you how desperate I am for blue hair, however I have two parents against the idea of their fourteen year old rebelling ideas of 'their darrrlling daughter'!
Tomorrow x

fashionfancies said...

It's good to read a rant/ discussion that is really well thought out! A movement against fashion in your clothes is, I suppose, fashion in itself as you have to consider what you are wearing so that you are what in your head is "anti fashion". I confused myself.

Anyway, first time I've ever read your blog and I thought it was very interesting! I like x

fashionfancies said...

It's good to read a rant/ discussion that is really well thought out! A movement against fashion in your clothes is, I suppose, fashion in itself as you have to consider what you are wearing so that you are what in your head is "anti fashion". I confused myself.

Anyway, first time I've ever read your blog and I thought it was very interesting! I like x

knielsen said...

Beautiful, Tavi. You are wise beyond your years and your response to this article was spot on.

betz said...

i couldn't agree more!

xx,
betz
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betz said...

i couldn't agree more!

xx,
betz
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betz said...

i couldn't agree more!

xx,
betz
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Héloïse. said...

Tavi,

First, I'd like to say that it seems like even with your young you've got a sort of maturity that lots of "grown-ups" haven't got.

About Tanya Gold, I read the article too, and in my opinion she's kinda frustrated, she's saying that she hates fashion but still she needs to talk about it. For me, when you really hate something, you don't need to prove it and argument about it...it's like she needs to convince herself.As you said she doesn't see fashion as a way to express yourself, but just as a way to fit in. And above all she's making designers look like people who are just having a bunch of fun, not as the creators they are.
Anyway, I wanted to say, that you seem to be an amazing girl, and the article about you in Vogue France is really great. You're both simple and complicated (in a really good way).

PS: I'm sorry if there's mistakes, I'm french...(:
PPS:I just adore your new blue hair, Umpa Lumpa's great !

Ugly Cute said...

whole heartedly agree with what you've said, you are a brilliant writer who knows what shes talking about!

xoxo
http://itsuglycute.blogspot.com

Just us said...

When will you write something about Paris? Can't wait. Hope you have a fantastic, absolutely, wonderful time there

reckless daughter said...

That article is nonsense. I do agree that there are issues in fashion (weight, money, etc..) but there are so many silly statements in this piece that it ends up simply sounding bitter. fashion is self-expression, it can be done at any size with any budget and any set of genes.

well put!

Megan Maloney said...

As much as I hate to quote people.. movies especially I really don't think anyone said it better than Miranda Priestly in THE DEVIL WEARS PRADA.

This... stuff? Oh... ok. I see, you think this has nothing to do with you. You go to your closet and you select out, oh I don't know, that lumpy blue sweater, for instance, because you're trying to tell the world that you take yourself too seriously to care about what you put on your back. But what you don't know is that that sweater is not just blue, it's not turquoise, it's not lapis, it's actually cerulean. You're also blindly unaware of the fact that in 2002, Oscar de la Renta did a collection of cerulean gowns. And then I think it was Yves St. Laurent, wasn't it, who showed cerulean military jackets? And then cerulean quickly showed up in the collections of eight different designers. Then it filtered down through the department stores and then trickled on down into some tragic Casual Corner where you, no doubt, fished it out of some clearance bin. However, that blue represents millions of dollars and countless jobs and so it's sort of comical how you think that you've made a choice that exempts you from the fashion industry when, in fact, you're wearing the sweater that was selected for you by the people in this room. From a pile of stuff.~

NO ONE CAN SAY THEY HATE FASHION OR "DON'T GET IT" UNLESS THEY LIVE IN A NUDIST COLONY.

Megan Maloney said...

As much as I hate to quote people.. movies especially I really don't think anyone said it better than Miranda Priestly in THE DEVIL WEARS PRADA.

This... stuff? Oh... ok. I see, you think this has nothing to do with you. You go to your closet and you select out, oh I don't know, that lumpy blue sweater, for instance, because you're trying to tell the world that you take yourself too seriously to care about what you put on your back. But what you don't know is that that sweater is not just blue, it's not turquoise, it's not lapis, it's actually cerulean. You're also blindly unaware of the fact that in 2002, Oscar de la Renta did a collection of cerulean gowns. And then I think it was Yves St. Laurent, wasn't it, who showed cerulean military jackets? And then cerulean quickly showed up in the collections of eight different designers. Then it filtered down through the department stores and then trickled on down into some tragic Casual Corner where you, no doubt, fished it out of some clearance bin. However, that blue represents millions of dollars and countless jobs and so it's sort of comical how you think that you've made a choice that exempts you from the fashion industry when, in fact, you're wearing the sweater that was selected for you by the people in this room. From a pile of stuff.~

NO ONE CAN SAY THEY HATE FASHION OR "DON'T GET IT" UNLESS THEY LIVE IN A NUDIST COLONY.

Megan Maloney said...

As much as I hate to quote people.. movies especially I really don't think anyone said it better than Miranda Priestly in THE DEVIL WEARS PRADA.

This... stuff? Oh... ok. I see, you think this has nothing to do with you. You go to your closet and you select out, oh I don't know, that lumpy blue sweater, for instance, because you're trying to tell the world that you take yourself too seriously to care about what you put on your back. But what you don't know is that that sweater is not just blue, it's not turquoise, it's not lapis, it's actually cerulean. You're also blindly unaware of the fact that in 2002, Oscar de la Renta did a collection of cerulean gowns. And then I think it was Yves St. Laurent, wasn't it, who showed cerulean military jackets? And then cerulean quickly showed up in the collections of eight different designers. Then it filtered down through the department stores and then trickled on down into some tragic Casual Corner where you, no doubt, fished it out of some clearance bin. However, that blue represents millions of dollars and countless jobs and so it's sort of comical how you think that you've made a choice that exempts you from the fashion industry when, in fact, you're wearing the sweater that was selected for you by the people in this room. From a pile of stuff.~

NO ONE CAN SAY THEY HATE FASHION OR "DON'T GET IT" UNLESS THEY LIVE IN A NUDIST COLONY.

jasmijn said...

HEY i have this idea for you. if you make a gallery and put all your pics of your outfits. then when you or all your blog readers wants to look at them again it's not so dam hard to find. i know you don't really like to have all the attention because you said your just a blogger a while ago but still. your amazing. i love your style or the way you look at cloths an see something else what allot of guys see. i would kill you if i could get your confedence with it. ow don't worry i'm not really that scaryfreakfany thing. i would dress like you if i wouldn't be shyfatiegirl. ow and i think you would kinda like the old japanese style.. really colorful kimonos.

Catherine said...

Recently, a fashion blogger who is also a writer got an essay published in an online literary magazine. It talked about how having a fashion blog was helping her to write and put herself out there. She was attacked by some of the readers and called vain and worse.

My response to all this was, Would you be attacking her if she had a blog about cooking? I think not.

People have this idea, that if you like fashion, you're shallow and dumb. I'm just shocked that people who call themselves intellectuals fail to see the beauty, creativity, and joy that comes out of fashion. It's really sad.

You don't have to buy into ANY of the negative parts of fashion in order to enjoy it— you can be fashionable without being a 5'11" stick, spending millions, or wearing painful shoes. You, Tavi, are living proof of that! People who think these things are essential to being fashionable are just idiots.

- Catherine at Littlehouse of Style
http://littlehouseofstyle.blogspot.com/

Lynne Jordan said...

I feel the same way about film... just discovered you little woman. This is all so impressive!

Apple said...

I think people saying something along the lines of "she wears clothes, therefore she cares about/is part of fashion" is a fallacious argument. If a person doesn't care about brand, color, cut, size, etc., but just puts on whatever clothes are clean just because they are clean, they do not care about nor is s/he part of fashion. Clothes are actually functional outside of fashion (besides, it's against the law to walk around nude). Just because some fashion is functional doesn't mean all clothes or all people who wear clothes are "a part" of fashion.

Apple said...

Oh yea, that monologue by Miranda Priestly in THE DEVIL WEARS PRADA about cerulean - totally not a burn, in my opinion. Anyone disagree?

Jacqueline said...

Wise beyond your years! xo

lancelloti said...

nice post! you're really smart and remind me of myselpf at your age, but i was a little more dumber haha

kiss and hug from brazil!

somewherebetweenwakingandsleeping said...

just saw on jak&jil that youre to be featured in bouge paris and just wanted to stop by and say congrats tavi!
luv ya!
you recently appeared in a dutch fashion article from the national newspaper which ive torn out and put on my wall ^_^

Anna Elise said...

Great thoughts...totally agree.
Love your blog and your refreshing originality.

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(always)alanna said...

wow. chan (above) just said the most amazing metaphor that exists..
but anyways. just wanted to say that i just caught your parisvogue feature. and holyshit. you are AMAZING and i just adore you. k. bye.

zoomslow said...

haha your dad is a thinka - nice :-) awesome outfit! sunglasses in doors = fierce (thank you tyra).

nga waiata said...

fashion can transform, heal, energize,inspire,surprise and be oh so humourous. And it's just plain old fun to see and be in & amongst it.

cool writing Miss Tavi.x

ngawaiata.blogspot.com

LAexpress said...

I could not handle reading all the comments, so i'm not sure it's going to be an innovative thought (please, be it, at least within these 336!) but as far as i believe the fashion does not have to be necessarily sexual, it has to be attractive. no attraction -- no fashion, alright. i love fashion that attracts with a thought (i deadly want to be a wardrobe stylist , but i'd probably get a stomachache if i had to dress a celeb for a red carpet event, bad, filthy stomachache). for those men and women that care for keeping this world real ( and let's not exaggerate, it's not only males and not only heterosexual like it sounds from your txt) the fashion is more of : how did she/he come up with this?, it's weird, weird is sexy. and sexy could leas to writing a book together, or sth ;)

cheerz

Miranda Valentine said...

Well done!

Misery said...

First of all, I just have to start with this: I discovered your blog just today and - it's brilliant. It's so much more than these countless blogs where ppl have nothing to say but they put, like, a dozen of almost identical photos of one outfit each few days. You've actually have a very strong voice of your own.

But, about Tanya's article: of course her opinion was not objective at all and, as much of ignorance as it was, she's entitled to have her own subjective opinion on the matter. I disagree with her, but it's like you said - she's still going to hate fashion...What was, however, most striking in her article was how she used the example of that 16-year-old girl who died, apparently because of the fact that she wore high heels. So the one to be blamed is fashion. Really? But maybe she would've died anyway. Or the next day after that. And when someone has a nasty accident while, for instance, skiing and they die, should we hate sport then? And the model she wrote about - well, there are unhappy ppl in every profession.

Anyway, what's amazing is how your post about it made so many ppl think about the issue. I think it's great thing you do here on this blog (which I'm following, since today, hah)

xoxo
Misery

bridget aileen said...

thank you tavi. you were thinking what we were all thinking when we read the article. If she hates fashion so much she might think about not wearing any. I'm "fat" and I don't dress like I'm dowdy. Please, please, please write more responses to articles like these

chelledc said...

I love your post, Tavi. There is definitely a middle ground. I feel sorry for that young girl that died but suffering for fashion is a choice. I'll wear high heels but my limit is 3.5 inches, I'll wear a shorter skirt but when the temp drops out comes the tights, and do not get me started on bundling up countless nice outfits under a heavy wool coat because I would rather make it home warm and cozy than be cute and freeze!
You have to chose what is right for you. Even when I was 16 I grasped this. It's too bad that young lady and Tonya don't seem to get that concept.

sexwithanimals said...

The same "fashion" magazines that offer advice about pleasing men might decide that fashion isn't for overweight people, but it's Tanya Gold's fault for believing it

SO WELL PUT! BRAVO!

Helena said...

I see your point Tavi, but the sad truth is that fashion for the great majority is commercial, not art. And what sells better than sex, psychological play on (bad) selfconfidence, and complete bombardment of it. There is barely any official place in my whole town (Stockholm) where you are not slammed with commercial messages. Business is a part of fashion, whether you like it or not. And not a small part. Moreover I think neither the artful part of fashion walks free from blame of spreading unhealthy ideals. Just look at the people on the runway (no need to say more). Of course you can ignore the fact that they're all superskinny, beautiful, and often sexy-looking, but it's kinda difficult when that message is brought out to every corner of the world that is not completely isolated. Saying that that's not fashion at all is sort of like when parents tell you to do what they say, and not what they do.
Finally, it is an art/indusrty wich is based on material consumerism in constant update-disease, wich will surely contribute to make earth a fashionably young corps.

I sadly believe it's wishful thinking that fashion is blameless for many terrestrians to feel unsufficient.

Maybe it can be better?

mags said...

You are a wonderful person.

little-pixie42 said...

I love your response on this issue, I agree with Ms. Gold's sentiments about under-weight models and the way fashion is sometimes marketed in teen or gossip magazines (ie everyone must look the same or else they will be shunned by society, and also be thin), but, as you rightly pointed out, that is not what fashion is about. It's creative, fun and is about looking the way you want to look, not how others dictate, and although I would never wear most of things I see on catwalks, I love to look at them, in the same way I would admire a painting I would never buy. So shine on you crazy diamond. ;)

Judith said...

Ms. Gold obviously doesn't know what fashion is... Fashion is not about looking sexy, it's a way of expressing yourself, it's art

Lalalala Jess said...

Ah I hate generalizations!!!

Sarah K. said...

great post, Tavi! I read this and thought "WHY have I not seen reviews like this on other blogs?!"

I think it's important that people understand that advertisements aren't actually meant to make you buy clothes that are flattering... they just want you to buy their clothes, no matter if you like them or not!!! Tanya sort of showed that she was the kind of person who didn't understand this...

she's not really that bad of a writer, either... I just don't think she knows what she's writing about, or was maybe trying to make some weirdly funny/satirical story about it....

anyway, I linked you in my blog and also commented on this article and you should check it out if you want!

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Helen said...

I just adore your artistic ability. Its just so flawless, I sometimes find it hard to believe you're only like 13. I especially love the first one, it really reminds me of The Diving Bell and the Butterfly. :D

Helen Neely

B.londie said...

It was an interesting article: I don't agree that fashion makes you unhappy, but I don't agree with you either. It depends on what you conceive fashion to be: art or superficial. Then it goes on to "is art pointless or relevant to everybody ?". She could say that your counter-article is pointless, but neither are: it's two points of view, one from each side of the line. People look for different things in life: if fashion doesn't make you happy, then stick to M&S smocks, if it does, stay in your Comme des Garçons shoes. It's usefulness varies from people. In some ways, you're being just as rash as her, even though just as convincing.

Kat + Duck said...

Very well said.

Ms.Gold must find herself in quite a cinundrum every morning when she has to decide what to wear. The very act of choosing what to style yourself in whether it be for outward reasons or functionality is still participating in fashion. There is no escape.

Pity she cannot appreciate the creative elements of fashion design and instead focus on the problems of mass mentality and the need for belonging.

Natasha said...

I have to say, I thought you were the coolest girl ever before, now I feel that 10x more since you are Team Conan.

spammo76 said...

I know what you're saying people immediately view fashion as shallow but if anyone called Da Vinci shallow they'd be laughed down the street

Gabriela Cambero said...

Thank you for this post!... I agree with you!... Fashion is art!!
And sure models suffer some times, but so does everyone in their jobs, don't they?
Finally, I found the heels story frankly silly... she was returning from a PARTY running alongside a train... I bet my pants she was drunk... and she chooses to blame the shoes?! seriously?!?

Elizabeth said...

This is an excellent post.

You both have great points. Thank you for not veiling your smarts! Whip em out for all to see. Style is not fashion, and visa versa. Style isn't commercial, eating-disorder-inducing or vapid (usually). Style is the extension of a human being and their creativity.

E
http://vitamin--d.blogspot.com/

softgrey said...

tavi-
it's disappointing that you didn't actually remove any of the insulting remarks that your readers posted...
saying she is bitter, needs a stylist, or a shrink...or just isn't smart enough to 'get' fashion...
those are personal attacks...
and not one of these people knows her well enough to make these sorts of judgements...

and frankly- i think most of them do not even understand that Fashion...with a capital 'F'..
is not about art or personal expression etc...
it is about commerce- read $$$$

STYLE- is about self expression and creativity. etc...

that is why Yohji hates fashion...
and why many of us who work in the industry do as well...

unfortunately- there is no Style industry...
so we are stuck with fashion..
with all of its foibles...

ps- i do think that good style is about improving ones appearance and is about creating a pleasing aesthetic...
if you are trying to look ugly on purpose- as some here have suggested they are doing..
then they have bad style...
because good style is not about being ugly....
comme des garcons is NOT about being ugly...
people really don't get it at all...

gntlbeast said...

Tanya Gold wrote this article very well (except for the anecdote about dying in heels that was tailored to melodramatic readers, pun intended). But, perhaps it should be called I HATE CAPITALISM.

Fashion is art. Fashion is expression. It's just like the paintings or sculptures in museums, except for one thing: it is tangible and interactive. Anything tangible to a modern human being can (and will) be warped into something capitalistic. Designing clothes and selling clothes are two EXTREMELY different things, with two EXTREMELY different motives.

The line between capitalism and art was blurred and art was belittled. And you Mrs. Gold, don't look smart when you belittle it further. If you want to be rebellious, you should embrace and realize the artistic beauty and creavitity that is Rodarte's post-apocalyptic woman.

That is, instead of crying because you feel alienated by advertising campaigns of which the purpose is to make you feel alienated if you don't submit to them. Ya fell for it!

im said...

Tanya's article made me sad. Being not-skinny myself, I can somewhat sympathize... sort of. I think her article was actually a projection of her our displeasure at being overweight, which she believes makes her "un-sexy" However, I know plenty of big, beautiful women who embrace fashion. Yes, I understand the rant on commercialism, but that's why there are thrift stores, no?
Fashion is not about making one look sexy.
Sure, you can find a lot of "sexy" clothing. but if that is all you see when you think of fashion, you are missing out.
anyways, I think that she should think about her true motives before she decides to rip on something she does not really understand

im said...

Tanya's article made me sad. Being not-skinny myself, I can somewhat sympathize... sort of. I think her article was actually a projection of her our displeasure at being overweight, which she believes makes her "un-sexy" However, I know plenty of big, beautiful women who embrace fashion. Yes, I understand the rant on commercialism, but that's why there are thrift stores, no?
Fashion is not about making one look sexy.
Sure, you can find a lot of "sexy" clothing. but if that is all you see when you think of fashion, you are missing out.
anyways, I think that she should think about her true motives before she decides to rip on something she does not really understand

im said...

Tanya's article made me sad. Being not-skinny myself, I can somewhat sympathize... sort of. I think her article was actually a projection of her our displeasure at being overweight, which she believes makes her "un-sexy" However, I know plenty of big, beautiful women who embrace fashion. Yes, I understand the rant on commercialism, but that's why there are thrift stores, no?
Fashion is not about making one look sexy.
Sure, you can find a lot of "sexy" clothing. but if that is all you see when you think of fashion, you are missing out.
anyways, I think that she should think about her true motives before she decides to rip on something she does not really understand

im said...
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TeakLipstickFiend said...

First up, I like clothes. (We need to wear them, so why shouldn't we like what we wear?) I like looking at what other people wear and can appreciate a different look even when I wouldn't wear it myself.

But I don't like fashion - or, perhaps more accurately, the fashion industry - and I particularly abhor the magazines and the "designer labels". No, Ms Wintour, I am not intimidated by fashion (f*** you, by the way).

I'm afraid that "the everyone-has-to-look-the-same-and-also-sexy philosophy" is fashion. Style is the thing that's eternal and has nothing to do with fashion.

And maybe if you have the money to have clothes made for you or the skill to make them yourself, being overweight isn't an issue. But for those of us with ordinary pay packets (or less) who depend on clothes shops, being overweight is an issue, because the shops do not cater for us. And second hand stores and markets do not cater for us. According to (most of) the fashion industry, overweight people should just buy the baggy, saggy, lurid clothes they sell in plus size shops. Apparently "normal" clothes do not suit us.

And I have to agree with Susan, who said:
"You say "...it's Tanya Gold's fault for believing [fashion isn't for overweight people,]...". I don't know. I will stop believing that there is more than a grain of truth to that on the day that ANY DESIGNER THAT YOU HAVE EVER EXPRESSED ADMIRATION FOR puts AN AWESOMELY DRESSED OVERWEIGHT 40-YEAR-OLD on the runway or in a major print ad. That would be radical."

All I can say is "Thank goodness for jewellery!", which is much more size-friendly.

The fashion industry is size-ist, age-ist, racist and I could do without it.

Maybe when you've lived a bit longer, gained some weight and wrinkles, you might better relate to what Tanya Gold is feeling, even if her argument has its flaws.

TeakLipstickFiend said...

P.S. "Genius" is a VERY overused word.

lady rock said...

well, I think that fashion is like an art gallery, of every season, something likely, is just expression, but to don't fall into what tanya says, you must have style and just see what's at new fashion, take what you want, and create your own way of expression, because not everyone can be designe. And girls shouldn't follow fashion only, they have to create their own style

Kristy Elena said...

i just stumbled across your blog and read this post and wanted to let you know that i don't think i've ever read anything on fashion that i've agreed with more. i don't know who you are but i'm very happy you felt compelled to write this. i think it's good for world's soul.

meagan said...

thank you so. so. much for writing this. i struggle with loving and hating fashion as well. many times, fashion's problems grate against my personal principles of feminism and egalitarianism, classism and sizeism. it's hard to reconcile fashion and my principles sometimes, but it can be done!


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Rahima said...

I really like this post! I'm only 13 and confused about fashion. But thanks to you, now I know what it really is. Fashion is about wearing clothes the way you want to. Fashion may be ugly and beautiful. Not just beautiful. Is that it? You are the smartest girl for me. Thanks!

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Marianna said...

I just admire the maturity in a 13 year old (sorry, but this is the number of years that you've lived on earth...), especially compared to so many infantile 20-30-40 year old "adults".

cath said...

I cannot congratulate you enough on how amazing at making a point you are. I guess the word for that is articulate but it seems you don't just articulate, you make it easier to understand. Being intruiged but not massively involved in fashion, your blog is like a little window into something I have always been in awe of but never properly understood. You made a very good argument about 'fashion' and how contradictory people can be to themselves. Thanks and well done. :)

Trysten Meunier said...

you are just so amazing! at 13, you are so much more informed than I am, but yet, i know more about fashion then almost any person in my school. tyour like my Albert Einstein, if I were a sientist. you just... get it, you know what i mean? I try so hard to explain to people in three hours what fashion is about, and why i love it, were as you just said it in five or six paragraphs! just amazing. you have a bright future ahead of you, deafinetly.

P.S: may Alexander Mcqueen rest in peace, in fashion heaven </3


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Trysten Meunier said...

and i just made lots of spelling mistakes, sorry.

Tiraynan said...

I agree with you fully. Fashion, in a way, is art. Sure, maybe most people wear it because they think it makes them look good and makes them feel accepted, but that's really the dumbest reason. Fashion is like self-expression. People wear it because they want to. They aren't exactly impressing anyone else, they're merely impressing themselves. They want to look good, but for themselves, not others.

I don't like how closed-minded Tanya Gold is. it is quite ridiculous that a lot of girls don't eat just so they'll be skinny enough and look good, or how some magazines edit photos and such, that's not how fashion is most of the time.
Tanya said she was happy dressing like Andy Pandy, so she should have kept dressing like it, if she was happy. Being happy in your clothes means you like the way you look and don't care what others think/say, not because someone told you to be skinny and wear a dress when you really don't want to.
Tanya goes all the way to tear up Vogue magazines, which is a little childish. Why hate it so much? Fashion is an art you see everyday, but a different art. It's hard to explain what I'm thinking, but while I respect some of what Gold said, I also don't like how she's so closed-minded about the whole thing.

:]

bdmb said...

Fashion must be management for responsible people, that's it!... and it is the most responsible art, it make a direct influence in people lives.

Barbara Martinsky.

tanya said...

I've been a total obsessor of fashion recently and I was skimming through your blog and I found this link on the right. It definitely caught my eye with the strong "hate" word and also because the person you're talking about: Tanya Gold has the same first name as me.

Anyways, you have a great point and so does Tanya Gold. Fashion can intimidate alot of people and for some they'll just hate it because it's no use wasting your time and money on the "fashion trend."

Weight is another problem but let me tell all of you, I have a friend and she's not skinny. Yeah, she's fat, I will say, but she knows and loves fashion. She's doesn't care what other thinks, she will wear sexy maids clothes with black and white striped stockings with huge red high heel on Halloween, and don't care what others think. Yeah, she knows everyone makes fun of her because of her weight, but she doesn't care.

It's how you can handle yourself and your mindset that, as i think, determines whether you're into fashion or not.

and last thing, fashion is important. That weird looking shirt that one of your classmate wore, yeah, it might not look so trendy and beautiful, but it's fashion alright, because everything we wear is fashion.

-tanya (with lots of hears) <3

RAWR said...

"It is never enough to wear a clean dress and comfortable shoes and be done – fashion is a Jewish mother on crack. This will make you beautiful! This will make men want you! Wear this! Wear that!"

I agree with your points, and certainly Tanya Gold also has some. However, the one above isn't one of them! Some of the misinterpretations about fashion, like "fashion makes men want you", "models are starving themselves for fashion" (which, by the way, is not true. Some models do it because they think their job requires it, but some don't. We have anorexic girls around us too, except they're not in the spotlight.)
Fashion isn't about looking sexy. Fashion isn't to make men love you. Fashion isn't supposed to be a turn-on. It's a way of expressing originality, wearing something that you think is YOU and nobody else, and most importantly, fashion makes the wearer feels good about herself. I went out in mass-produced skinny jeans that everybody MUST have and I didn't feel confident. I went out in a sweater that everybody said was adorable and I didn't feel special. But I went out in striped stockings layered with chunky boots and patterned tights and a schoolgirl skirt and a bow on my head and a legwarmer on my arm and guess what? It made me feel good. I didn't give a crap when somebody said "why the hell is there a legwarmer on your arm" and "you look like you're about to die".
I'm not saying that I "get" fashion. I'm just saying that fashion isn't about sexual appeal, I'm saying that fashion is bold like Comme des Garcons, fresh like Alexander Wang, edgy like h.Naoto, and confident like Hysteric Glamour. Most importantly, fashion is art. It's expression. You don't see a lot of people giving crap to artists for expressing their opinions -- so why give crap to women wearing things that they think made them look good?
I think that fashion can be different for everybody. You go out to fashion week and the shows aren't the same, because "beauty is the eye of the beholder." I really love your blog, by the way. I am just starting to adore fashion and I don't know much about it, but I agree with your views on it, especially the way you think the "it's supposed to make you look attractive" attitude should vanish.
I remember this one Comme des Garcons collection. I think it was 2007? It was green plaid and the front of the dress resembled a seat cushion. No, I didn't like it. But yes, I admired it. It was the originality that impressed me. I also hate the Everybody-needs-to-look-the-same-and-sexy philosophy. It's bringing down the worth of fashion. It's just a bunch of teenage girls trying to fit in, which to me is the total opposite of fashion.

Anyways, awesome post, and I think your style is pretty inspiring, even though it's different from my way of dress. I'm glad to find somebody who knows and loves what they're talking about(and spells correctly! CHATSPEAK SHALL DIE.)!

xD
Happy Blogging!

-Plotter

Merritt said...

I "hate" fashion too (but seemed to have stumbled across this blog by chance) I never understood high heels, or shoe obsessions for that matter and shopping is sometimes just as bad as going to the dentist for me, but at times it's just something you have to do to look like a regular person. But at the same time I don't think there's a better alternative to fashion. What, should we all just wear gray smocks and white shoes everyday all day? Without fashion, we would all be "equal" but quite boring. Sounds distopian to me. How we dress is how we define ourselves in many ways, good or bad, and also a form of expression, but maybe not our ONLY form of expression. I've met plenty of people who have good "fashion sense" so to speak but are still boring as hell.

softbonesbabyy said...

im sure this is super late but....i love love love (to the 100th power) this post. I have weird cynics/economy majors/aimless community college students question me whether or not fashion is valuable to society. and i just feel completely enraged but this post pretty much summed it up.love it.
you're amazing.wow.

Lila said...

You are incredible !! This is pretty much exactly the same conversation one of my favourite people on earth and I had - after years of University study on issues like gender I might add - in our mid-20s. Holy smokes !

You're an inspiration and you make me so excited that I get to work as a teacher with 'kids' like you.

ed said...

I just got home from Tokyo and read this, it fingerpoints all that irks me with style/looks here (in tiny Stockholm) but not over there. It might be something utopian, never to be achieved, but I would love for us to just celebrate all these fantastic artists without even thinking about people "failing", or "not being enough". And yes yes yes, lets all drop "sexy", its soo old. Thank you, you are so very talented and bright that you don't even have to continue being so (weird, but I think you might understand).

Isabel said...

THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. For years I've tried explaining to my mother that fashion and frivolity are two different things. I explained how the greatest couturiers are somewhat anti-fashion. Cristobal Balenciaga, for example. People who criticize fashion in this manner have absolutely no understanding of what it really is. I agree with Anna, they're so intimidated by it that they are blind to how wonderful it is. Thank you for the most rational argument I have ever read on one of my favorite debates of all time. You should be the next Grace Coddington.

adeline said...

I heard about you in my Teen Vogue magazine and I must say you are beyond intelligent. It's inspiring reading your articles, I'm really impressed. I'm from Kentucky (I'm not a redneck!) and you seem to be living in a small town, too, so it makes me feel special that I'm not alone in my obession for real fashion. I said real fashion because you should see the people down here! To get to the point, haha, I really hope you have time to read this comment. I want to like create my own fashion magazine (yes, it probably sounds a little sycodic) but I was wondering if maybe you could post ways for other people to be more well-rounded in fashion like yourself. I collect every magazine I see and read through all, I think thats a good start. Anyways, I would be honored to get advice from you.

Thanks Tavi- Addie.

Catherine said...

hello everyone and tavi,

i just read this "radical" article by tanya gold, "why i hate fashion" - pretty straight forward if you ask me, and then i read your article. good good attitude. mrs. gold certainly has a generalised point of view about fashion, one that you do hear every now and then. but solely complaining about this industry is not the way. especially because in my opinion, everybody sees fashion in a very different way. it is not the people who really appreciate the uniqueness of it that make it into such a "mass-thing". or what you said, the effort to always be "fashionable" (???), look attractive, sexy and so on ... we all know that in the end we will end up looking like a laaaarge percentage of all the other girls in the street. and this is certainly not the point. personally, it has something to do with own creativity, humor, inspiration, and a lot of originality. i don't hate fashion. i don't like that fashion has such a reputation that it has, but this has been different in earlier days and might change again. and, there are so many great designers, such as yohji yamamoto as you mentioned who stand out, do their own thing, so it is simply impossible to lump them altogether.

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ciao, catherine. xx

Catherine said...

hello everyone and tavi,

i just read this "radical" article by tanya gold, "why i hate fashion" - pretty straight forward if you ask me, and then i read your article. good good attitude. mrs. gold certainly has a generalised point of view about fashion, one that you do hear every now and then. but solely complaining about this industry is not the way. especially because in my opinion, everybody sees fashion in a very different way. it is not the people who really appreciate the uniqueness of it that make it into such a "mass-thing". or what you said, the effort to always be "fashionable" (???), look attractive, sexy and so on ... we all know that in the end we will end up looking like a laaaarge percentage of all the other girls in the street. and this is certainly not the point. personally, it has something to do with own creativity, humor, inspiration, and a lot of originality. i don't hate fashion. i don't like that fashion has such a reputation that it has, but this has been different in earlier days and might change again. and, there are so many great designers, such as yohji yamamoto as you mentioned who stand out, do their own thing, so it is simply impossible to lump them altogether.

www.wemakethearter.com
ciao, catherine. xx

enviedegranville said...

Dear Catherine (and Tavi, of course)

"especially because in my opinion, everybody sees fashion in a very different way"

... Wow. Look a little closer and you will see that FOR MOST PEOPLE fashion is a way of showing others their wealth and connections, it's a way to prove to peers that one might have a "hotter" bod and a sexier physique. Not everyone lives in New York City or Paris, France where people can wear what they want and it's considered a "personal style." I live in a city where club apparel is a must if you want somewhat of a social life. So don't tell us that everyone has a different view on fashion. Woah, woah, woah... Some purchase clothing that is considered "in style" just to make sure they will find acceptances by their so-called "friends." Not a lot of people have the guts to experiment and take risks. No, dude, not at all. 98% of people that you will meet are not fashion oriented no matter what they say. They just want to be accepted. But who can blame them? It's a cruel world and no one is made out of aluminum. It hurts and it's understandable. But you have to give credit to those who take chances and express themselves through fashion.

Catherine said...

Hi Raphaelle,
great to hear your point of view on this, i'm always open and eager to discuss self-expression in context with fashion. you are certainly right with what you are saying about the average person - things such as the urge to buy certain things which are in style to adapt etc. people do this with everything, not just with fashion, it's a psychological thing of "following the crowd". kind of, hey i saw this in a couple of mags, this must be cool now. this is the simple and safe way if you want to call it like that. especially in small towns (i'm from a 10 000 people town in germany) this is wiiidely spread. however, it's not the way. one should find their very own, unique taste of fashion as well as we have our own taste of music and food and what not. you just have to dare. and you are the person you ARE. everybody likes different clothes it's just this damn pressure, media, bla bla which manipulates it. i can exactly imagine your situation, cause i just been in paris for 1 year. but you have to dare because what you wear should reflect you and not what somebody talked you into or anything like that in order to "gain acceptance", because you will reach the opposite. stand out, be your own kind and you will get a hell lot more respect. and enjoy fashion and have fun with it! it shouldn't be anything forced. have a nice day!

Lauren "Lo" Scruggs said...

Amazingly stated.

Miss Mauve said...

I don't really understand how she can judge Fashion and The Industry quite like that if like you said... She did't exactly "Discover Fahion". I read the article and I also agree withher on a few on her minor points but I think she should have revised and edited quite a bit more.... Anyway I love your take on the philosophy, very interesting and eye opening. XD

Mauvoo

Lauren the Lionhearted said...

I have to say, I agree. Fashion doesn't make us beautiful, we make ourselves beautiful. People blame it on the clothes and the fashion industry and the size 4 models. People like Tanya Gold should take ownership of her feelings and realize that no one can make you feel a certain way without your permission. If she looked at clothing differently, she'd see that it has a purpose and isn't an enemy.

And fashion is so much more than clothes. It's about the art behind it, the designers who make it all reality and the people who buy it and wear it and turn it into something individual.

Sydney said...

I'm reading this post WAY late, but I totally agree with everything you have to say. It isn't fashion in and of itself that is so despicable, it's the way people choose to view it. And I believe someone mentioned this on her post, but it isn't necessarily fashion that is so bad, it's what people decide is stylish. And you're right about her 'discovery of fashion'. I wish she really had discovered fashion instead of the world of teenagerdom.

AnnMarie. said...

bulls#¡%... Fashion is not what damage society... is the obsession of fitting in, guide by the absence of personality. And what she says about over waight and fashion? thats bulls#¡% too... I'm overweight and I love fashion and love clothes!

mystyleadvice.com said...

There's a lot more to fashion than people give it credit for.

Aesha said...

Can I speak French ? :D I'm more comfortable with this language, my English is pitiful, you had to notice it. No? But I would speak all the same in French, my English is too ridiculous!
Bref, je voulais dire : après avoir lu cet article, je dois reconnaître qu'elle n'a pas tout à fait tort. Moi même, je suis contre l'anorexie dans le milieu de la mode ( et en fait contre toute forme de maladie alimentaire imposée). Par pas tout à fait, je précise : cracher sur Vogue, quelle idée inutile ! Pour moi, un livre (ou un magazine quel qu'il soit) ne doit pas être atteint ainsi. Bref, je m'étend.
Je veux dire par là qu'elle a raison, qu'on oppresse les rondes dans le milieu de la mode. Pourquoi vouloir tout conformer ? Mais je ne déteste pas la mode. Quelle meilleur moyen d'expression que le vêtement ?
Voilà, c'est tout :D

Cupcakebreeder said...

What's not right in my eyes is the whole "this is fashion, and this is not fashion, fashion is this, fashion is that" sentiment. Who really knows what so-called "fashion" is? Maybe some people should stop the pretentiousness and just let go. It's all about dressing in a way that floats your boat.

shmimberly said...

you're amazing and entertaining and don't ever stop doing what you're doing. you're ability to articulate your MANY thoughts is quite spectacular. your blog is worthwhile. worth the long read. no bs. you go tavi!

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