Sassy was awesome. It called out celebrities and politicians for being assholes, educated its readers on politics without sounding biased, and focused on fashion in a way that was unconventional. It was lipstick feminism for teenage girls, covering sexist issues but not discouraging having fun with makeup or caring about boys. It included R.E.M. records as opposed to the perfume scents of today's teen magazine pages. Also, this Thurston Moore advice column is maybe the best thing ever.
Oh my God! Why isn't anyone telling me these things! It would be really nice if someone told me these things! It would be really nice if someone told me these things as opposed to telling me how to dorkily incorporate cafeteria food into flirtatious encounters with crushes! Especially if this person was Thurston Moore!I’m a lonely 14 year-old. I’m not pretty, outgoing or interesting. Why do guys only like beautiful girls? Anonymous
Thurston says: Because the majority of guys are too stupid and insensitive to realize a person like you may possess qualities of beauty. Become aware of what’s beautiful within you and cultivate it. Don’t be afraid of men. Be true to yourself, and hopefully an honest love will come your way. The more you have confidence and belief in your own beauty, the more likely this is to happen.
It would be really nice if someone could give me cool DIY ideas, too!
And if they could poke a bit of fun at themselves and their cover star!
I mean, I can think of a number of times that Kristen Stewart has looked less than excited to be on the cover of a magazine, but ignore the fact that she is obviously sort of out of it or maybe angry! Read about how down to earth she is because she bites her lip! And see her movie!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And if they could poke a bit of fun at themselves and their cover star!
I mean, I can think of a number of times that Kristen Stewart has looked less than excited to be on the cover of a magazine, but ignore the fact that she is obviously sort of out of it or maybe angry! Read about how down to earth she is because she bites her lip! And see her movie!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Unfortunately, I can't have another Sassy. The world this magazine inhabited in the early 90's was about DIY. For the teen generation twenty years later, the convenience of technology has overthrown most do-it-yourself tactics. And, of course, the 90's had different icons and role models for teens than the 2010's. I mean:
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Yeah, I realize this is a bad comparison, it's not like people talk about Miley and Liam as outsiders teenagers entrust with their angst, something that also helped define the pages and readership of Sassy. So who today is against the grain?
..."First of all when I was young there were juvenile delinquents and there were beatniks; then there were hippies, then there was punk, then there was grunge, then there was gangsta. Well what is it now? Nothing! Come up with something! Get busy! It’s your duty!" -John Waters to RUSSH MagazineI'm sorry John Waters but I don't know if we can! Anything underground catches on too quickly because of the internet, and is soon enough something to make into a product, create a cultural stereotype around, or a topic a fancy grown-up will ruin with some article that misses the point completely!
Frankly, I feel pretty sure that there is really nothing very subversive in my generation's culture, because of the Internet and because the underdog is now something to market. Based on what I can pull from my school and the Internet, no one wants to spend money on Abercrombie or be a cheerleader; they want to sport geek glasses and Converse. This is a generation where Taylor Swift is weird because she wears glasses and t-shirts.* Demi Lovato is into death metal and Emily Osment makes it a point in every interview to say how much of an outsider she felt at Hannah Montana rehearsals in that ruggedy ole Nirvana t-shirt of hers, and even has a song called "I Hate the Homecoming Queen."** Then people like the star of MTV's My Life as Liz, a self-described "non-conformist thinker," are considered subversive for liking Macs and Star Wars.*** Liz Lee and Taylor Swift both hate the cheerleaders, Liz Lee and Emily Osment and Demi Lovato all like the obscure music.
But wait! That isn't right! Liz is supposed to be the anti-all that stuff! But somehow, popular culture has gotten to a point where you have both the Disney superstar and the ~quirky~ outsider rooting for, trying to be, and promoting the nerdy underdog. And when everyone is the nerdy underdog, no one is the nerdy underdog.
Even so, I'm not ready to let go of hope. Let's say we do get another Sassy. What would it look like? What would be its focuses? Who would be on the cover? What would be the fashion features? Would it succeed at uniting teenage girls as opposed to turning them against each other because GOSH Enemy Of Liz Lee, you are blonde and cheerlead and that means you're an awful person?** Would it, like the original Sassy, put readers' interests before those of advertisers? Would it offer advice without condescending? Would it not do that annoying teen magazine thing where it talks about how photoshop is evil even though the skin of its cover star is most certainly not that of a baby butt? Would it succeed at appealing to boys as well as girls instead of drawing a line of divide composed of cosmetics and horror stores about Cougar Moms? Could it give my generation a group for John Waters that stays weird and un-commercialized?
I don't know what I'm trying to say here. I would like this to happen but it is probably not possible. But hey, if anyone has the answers to those questions above and could figure out how a 10's Sassy would work, I will be the first to read it.
EDIT: This comment from Lapalomita is spot on and I wanted to share:
"[...]What ultimately made Sassy subversive, was that it treats teenage girls like intelligent, capable, interesting people.Oh my goodness! Be in my life now! I think this is the answer right here. I failed to delve into anything about how Sassy realized that the kids these days know what's up far beyond what's happening in the girls' bathroom or on MTV. So I guess that's the answer -- Sassy 2.0 would be subversive not by showcasing the weirdest tastes in music and fashion and books and movies, but by encouraging creativity and confidence and not patronizing. Maybe in that way, a Sassy of today would still hold its rebellious spirit.
So in the end, it doesn't matter of the trends get co-opted by corporate America (as annoying as that is) or if no new subculture emerges for us to look back on fondly down the road (beatniks, hippies, punks, etc.) If you produce a magazine that actively engages girls and women, addresses to their interests & concerns, suggests cool DIY projects (even if they've been done before-- after all what hasn't?), and tells them they are smart & capable, that they can be fashionable and booksmart, that "fashion" is more than x-cookie cutter or a size 0, etc, etc-- that would be radical and subversive. And would empower a whole bunch of girls to feel more comfortable in their skin, their clothes and their smarts."
*OMG! HOLD THE PHONE! A T-SHIRT! As opposed to a short skirt, which is bad because either a) it's too slutty, b) it's too slutty, or c) OMG TOO MANY SLUTS NOW LET ME GO TO PROM IN A WHITE DRESS BECAUSE THESE SLUTS NEED TO STOP WEARING HIGH HEELS AND SHORT SKIRTS!!!!!!1!!!!
**I know Courtney didn't like the homecoming queen either, but at least had a message that was more profound about the culture around that and not like "God I hate her she's trendy!!1!"
***Unfortunately, in the world of Liz Lee, liking "dorky" things justifies ragging on people simply because these people are blonde and like cheerleading -- in other words, because of their looks and interests.
photos: diy and johnny and kurt/court and miley
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im reading the last song right now and i love it so much, great post!!
LOVE LOVE LOVE the post (as always) and even though I didn't know about it three seconds ago, I LOVE LOVE LOVE the magazine. (words x3 are necessary) and I like that you recognize the erm, innapropriateness of some outfits. Yes, Johnny Depp does look excited. As do I.
HAHAH i love making fun of that taylor swift lyric. with blogging these days, you're spot on. everything underground is suddenly upperground (not a word but what the hell!)
i can really only think of one person who could make this magazine a reality, even if it is online only at first and then gets picked up by a publishing company.
*cough* Tavi *cough*
DUH TAVI IT'S YOU. Is there seriously anyone out there more capable? You're entering your finest years of being a teenager, you are a fantastic writer, you have connections, and you have SUCH a large audience. Anything is possible.
And a DIY idea? Take it from me, iron on studs are the BEST FREAKING INVENTION EVER. SERIOUSLY.
I agree 100% with Hazel!
I WANT. I repeat, I WANT.
great post: the only way a sassy is possible is at a small and local level, like a 'zine, dealing with local people of interest... i feel, this day in age, if you're big, there is so much temptation to buy into creating yourself a brand. 2010: the age of self-branding.
xo
justyna
Some DIY ideas here: http://tinyurl.com/y9jncpm
me too! do it, tavi toons
i think that back then, kurt and courtney were considered "freaks" in a way that is not described by liz and cool girls who like star wars. they were genuinely outsider artists who didn't fit in and didn't care.
I think the new trend of self-deprecating, star-wars-loving glasses-wearing "nerds" do not possess that same sort of "real".
But think of someone who you're inspired by that kind of terrifies you/intimidates you and I bet they will be the next Kurt/Courtney.
Great post.
i remember that diy spread - i cut off my shorts in little points like that! (super cute but you have to stitch them all down bc it doesn't wash well)
sassy was by far the best thing about the 90s.
Sassy sounds amazing! I agree with Hazel too, you would be great at producing a magazine like this!
Carmen.xx.
I think you know the answer. Only you and your friends can create and redefine a Sassy for this era. And I speak as a former Sassy subscriber, and old person who finally let go of her stack of Sassys just a few years ago. Which makes me sad.
Their DIY ideas are KILLING ME!!
Now I think I need some zig-zag cuff shorts and a tie-skirt *_*
I agree with Hazel. Why don't you resurrect Sassy (probably with the help of someone that you know in the fashion/magazine biz? You could make it an online version, much like your blog, but with other contributors. And it would be the first one started by someone who is the mag is aimed at. You are a wonderful writer and have insight well beyond your years.
Oh, and btw, there is a store in NY that has the most amazing cache of old mags. I can't remember the name but I will find out and let you know.
hm, that's really interesting. now that i think about it, there are no real 'teen' magazines that actually mirror our generation. Teens now are so versatile in there interests, its difficult to even be a non comformist. People can talk all they want about how white, blonde cheerleaders are mean and popular. In most cases nowadays, that's just a stereotype that doesn't quite apply to our generation anymore. People who dye their hair multicolored and listen to screamo music aren't as outcast as much as they used to be because now people think it's cool to be different, and I honestly believe that our generation is more open to excepting people as they are. Of course it's not perfect, because nothing ever is. I know kids who unrelentlessly bully others for taking photography and not playing football, but I also know kids who are just now starting to come out of their shells and be more open to kids out of their subscribed cliques. I think that it would be an extremely difficult thing to accomplish, reaching an audience of teens who have access to so many different interests through the internet/television/ movies etc. It has to be possible though. It would be such a great way to reach a waiting audience and unite a generation of teenagers who want to do more than text or be on facebook or go to stupid parties.
The nerdy underdog is still always, always a guy, though. Female dorks are the eternal subculture.
i was a loyal sassy subscriber waaaay back when. it's great to see sassy get some love. when the magazine died (aka my usual issue arrived but was teenybopper schlock), i called, yelled expletives at the (poor) phone representative, and canceled my subscription. but, oh man, that hurt was deep. 15 years later, it still hurts. hope you get something similar, though--like you--i'm not sure what it would look like. i think your blog's a good start.
to play devil's advocate (and also use more cliches in one comment than my grandma would), i think that the phenomenon that john waters brings up and that you are lamenting; the seeming lack of a cohesive generational identifier, is somewhat of an illusion. in some respects i think it is akin to not being able to see the forest through the trees. as a nineties child, most of us would have been hard up to recognize that we were steeped in great cultural relevancy, the posterchildren of a decade, wearing the revolutionary uniform of over-sized plaid as an affront to blah blah blah. we sure did feel our infamous collective angst and rallied together because of it, but i think few, if any, of us were able to imagine some techno-wiz, comme-wearing, wunderkind all up on the internets, with an audience way bigger than that of early 90's 7 year bitch, for example, revering "the way things were" for us. i guess what i'm saying is that, there's still time and there's still hope and its not all lost on previous path-pavers. now is a pretty revolutionary time too and before long, when you're my age (which isn't old, goddamn-it), there will be someone cyberholographictransporteleblogging about this amazing chick named Tavi from the '10s who really understood fashion and what it meant to change the world and had great advice for teenagers and did really cool DIY stuff...
I get it. I don't want to read Seventeen (how to incorporate plaid into your style, a five page article about Miley Cyrus...yawn), Teen Vogue (why not read regular Vogue?) And those 'fashion bibles' are nice and all but it gets b o r i n g after a while. And I'm sick of reading about TWILIGHT, and HANNAH MONTANA. I for one, would rather read endlessly about Tim Burton (and his movies, and the stars of his movies, and...) and a little bit of David Bowie here and there. And an extra dose of Miuccia Prada would be nice. And I'm talking like my doctor which is scaring me.
BYE...(oh, and no..I'm not a weirdo?)
-Isabella
Hi Tavi--
Love your blog. I've just started up one of my own at so-lo-war.blogspot.com
also-- i love this post. in Brooklyn we have a huge DIY music scene going on and lots of awesome zines and this great thing called Showpaper which lists all ages concerts and features a visual artist on one side (generally someone that's just taking off). We have house shows and venues without bouncers (try toddpnyc.com as a promoter and look up photos of Silent Barn). I'm a part of this scene (i'm the underage advocate)!
I'd love to talk to you about this because there is so much DIY stuff like Sassy if you know where to look!
please email me! stfonyc@yahoo.com
-so.lo.
there is NOTHING to inspire the normal people who havnt been sucked into the toolish and awakward=cool world that we live in. I have one eddition of sassy and it's the only thing that keeps me going. people like Miley Cyrus and Kesha just make me die. I say all of us norm folk boycot planet earth and move to Pluto. ummmkay?
Hi! I personally would love to see every single back issue of sassy reprinted for this generation. It was amazing, and worthwhile, and came with a strength (and requisite bitterness) that helped so many people I went to Highschool with, grow up to be cool, amazing, and actually survive High School -- I keep thinking that if the girls who are bullied and feel that suicide is the only way out might have survived, or held on more strongly if they had a publication like Sassy.
Anyway, I think I have some xeroxes of the craft projects and maybe a few issues around in storage... drop me a line with an address, and I'll send them to you. Because it is important.
I love this post, I also agree very much with Ara.
We're here, we're now. Make the most of it.
Plus "there's nothing new under the sun."
People have always loved underdogs.
I'm a hypocrite though ha, because at the same time I find myself getting worked up over people trying to out indie/ each other.
I find myself judging people for acting too cool and then damn! I just did what I didn't like them doing to me! I'm sad at all the disconnect and all the hyper trying to be the first to know about this cult fill in the blank.
We live in the whiplash world of micro trends.
I myself have to take a deep breath, be myself and strive to be kind to EVERYONE, the liz lees and the cheerleaders.
Tavi,
Agree with Hazel. You'd be a great editor, and I can imagine Arabelle and Camille and Bryanboy and several other bloggers contributing to this. In fact, I don't see why you couldn't start this online, perhaps like something like Fashionista. I'm far more inspired by what you've posted than what's going on in most fashion magazines today (and that goes for the blogging community as a whole). Consider this for this summer.
@chicspace
"They want to sport geek glasses and Converse" So true! I can't speak for the whole nation, but where I live, most people wouldn't mind looking like nerds and carrying around math books. I mean, it pretty cool to look cool as a "nerd" or a "geek".
what's stopping you from starting it? You are obviously gifted with writing, well connected enough to find advertisers, and you have talented friends like Elizabeth & Laia who can also help!!!!!!
if you are starting a zine like Sassy tavi then count me in as a subscriber or contributor!
that mag sounds awesome.
if its cool, then its not original, if you are original then you are unoriginal like all the other original people! haha awesome post Tavi, really :D
there's an issue of sassy that i've been trying to hunt down for my husband... it came out in 1989 to 1993 and there was a column on the topic of "how to take care of your straightedge boyfriend" or something like that. he's dying for a copy. but i've never been able to find it :(
you could totally do Sassy 2.0. Keep it subculture, because the first rule of Sassy 2.0 is you don't talk about Sassy 2.0 (on the internet).
i agree 300% with Hazel. This was so well put. The internet screws up the chances of creating some sort of awesome underground movement and letting it stay that way, so why not use the internet to our advantage?! I am craving a genuine teen magazine made by genuine people!
I think if a new sassy were to exist, it would have to fix some of the problems of the old one. Like, the thurston moore advice column is great, but see how readers describe other girls as "bitchy"or "slutty"? Less competitiveness, more of the encouragement of creativity/DiY. Also, I liked the editor's snarkiness/honesty, but I think more awareness of intersectionality of sexism with other oppressions is necessary (like in the "deaf isn't a disease" response - http://www.blairmag.com/blair1/sassy/saywhat.html - where Margie accuses a deaf kid of being "defensive.") And more diversity!
Sassy was amazing, but it also had a dark side that if we were to reinvent it we'd need to avoid.
I sound like such a negative nancy, jeez!
Either way, I find people fall into a death trap when they try to be "cool" and the genuinely cool people don't actively pursue it. Which is why I think that having positive inflects to the mag are much more important than being critical of other girls who are "slutty" which DURR you already know.
you have a total point. what has our generation come to? the only way we could make it different is stand up. be original. but then YOUR personal ideas, or styles are copied. and stereotyped. i dont think there is a solution. it's just society :(
YOU should start a magazine!
oh Lord, I used to have soo many Sassy mags at my parent's house and they made me recycle them all when I went off to college... I still have a folder of all my favorite pages and a bunch of collages I made for my locker in middle school. Growing up in the 90s (I graduated H.S. in '99) I guess I didn't really realize it was anything special, until I saw the kids just a few years younger than me fall in love with *nsync during those formative years when I was busy listening to Nirvana and Green Day's Dookie. I tend to just ignore magazines now, who has the time? I'd rather scour other random shit for inspiration.
i hope the people at conde nast read this and realise that there is a massive market out there that does not squish into "teen vogue".
Tavi, if your looking for the new subculture, look at yourself. You are the phenomenon that will be talked about in the next decade, the way we talk about Sassy now.
And other bloggers too, I guess. Hahaha
I'm reading The Last Song right now and I was surprised by how much this book proves that you can't judge a book by its cover. The original cover of the book I like- but the one with Miley and Liam- not so much.( I only got it because it was cheaper than the original cover and i really don't know why). But anyway, when you look at the cover with Liam and Miley, it looks like a soggy romantic lovey dovey book. The truth is, it's not. There's way more to the story than romance, I can tell you that! Yes I do realize that what I just said doesn't really relate to your post but I felt like I should just get that out of my system.
And another thing- Tavi, you should so make your own magazine! People would love it, you know, since people go nuts for your blog! You seem like a really cool person ( I say the word 'seem' because I don't know you personally) and I really love your blog.... so..... keep writing!!!!!
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I also don't remember Sassy but I know I would LOVE it if it was around now. There is nothing like it out there. You know what was also great and similar? JANE. Amazing. Totally folded the month after it showed a whole page of boobs of all shapes and sizes and it was about plastic surgery trend. Nudity? "It's porn!" Um...no. I loved it and I still have some that I REFUSE to throw out. For something out right now, Bust is pretty good but not really a teen mag. We need to create one! I have sooo many ideas!
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the Johnny Depp caption=teehee <3
I don't think a magazine like this would be able to be truly "offbeat"-everything needs something commercial about it to survive.On that note, I think a magazine like Sassy could flourish if it sprinkled in bits of commercialism, like bigger name stars for covers or up-and-comers, for the ignorant masses to glom onto, but kept its styling and stories for the most part quirky for its more intelligent cough cough readers to appreciate: features on vintage and thrifting, obscure indie bands mixed with better known ones dot dot dot.
oh my god. I would love something like this. I would love it without commercialism, but I don't think it would last long w/o it.
hey tavi, i agree, i mean everyone is the same now and our generation should be a teensy bit more original.
PS:its the first time a write a comment!
PPS:I am from Mexico and it is not run by drug lords and my name is not ricardo, Im a girl
That Thurston advice is priceless, god I wish we had Sassy in Ireland when I was growing up. So interesting to read what you said about school now. When I went to school (10 years ago, argh!) for 3 years I tried to fit in a failed miserably then found nirvana, from that moment on I dressed like Courtney Love and hung out with the other grunge loving kids, about 6 of us in total! But I was never happier not to 'fit in', because I was certain what I loved was me. I would hate if everyone was jumping on that bandwagon for sure. It is interesting now to see blogs of young girls dressing like Alexa, ie. fashionably. There is no way girls were so fashionable in my day (god how old do i sound haha) but it was the awkward grungy kids who transformed into the fashion/art students. Its really interesting to watch.
I think I spent about a week on winter break interning at Sassy -- but a summer at Teenage Magazine where Jane Pratt worked on the idea for Sassy. I'll have to dig up a funny picture for you from that time.
Teenage Magazine went out of business. Repo men came and collected the typewriters and we were all sitting around wondering what to do now that we couldn't type anything. Seriously!
I always thought BUST was a good successor to Sassy.
i remember Sassy. no wonder it didn't survive, god forbid anyone publish anything possessing qualities of truth. i've been in a DIY drought lately as well, getting pretty sick of cutting up t-shirts.
HALCOHOLIC.com
This sounds like such a cool magazine. Maybe someday I'll start one like this...
Ah, Tavi...you were born in the wrong era!
I bought that Sassy with Kurt and Courtney when it came out. Of course, at the time, I had dreads the same color as Kurt's hair and wore nothing but babydoll dresses and Doc Martens...
Today as the mother of a son your age, I feel it is only my civic duty to supply him with an endless arsenal of music and movies and all things that shaped my own youth.
Because he may not be as clever as you are at finding these things on his own.
So far, it is working....
Eleanor-Shopping The Closet
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this issue concerns me too. Unfortunately, only time will show us that we are in the midst of some kind of movement- but it is different than those of the 70s-90s. Come on Tavi, you write a blog. use your thinking noggin.
you are at the forefront of this.
we all contribute to sassy. we tr to keep it genuine- we wear our princess dresses and our grandma attire and we follow our passions and we give each other advice.
the trick is to choose your passions and follow them down the rabbit hole instead of merely skimming the surface of myriad intelligentsia artsy shenanigans available to us via the internets.
love from
sassy 20 year old girl
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I remember an article in Bust Magazine or Bitch Magazine a long time ago that was all about the rise and fall of Sassy. It described how it went from being a little beacon of 'zine light to turning into, essentially, a Seventeen knockoff. I tried to find a link for you, but alas, I'm not as good at technology as you young kids.
Try to find it... also, there's a book about Sassy (How Sassy Changed My Life). Hope you enjoy.
yeeaaH :DD
we wan't a super cool and original maagazine agaig :DD
I think I owned every issue of Sassy ever. I have some left in my dad's attic. I've definitely got the Kurt/Courtney one and I'll pass it down to my daughter.
In 1991 on a sunny Saturday in March - I looked in the mirror until my face became utterly gorgeous and I've had total self-confidence since.
You may not have a Sassy, but you get the whole fucking INTERNET! Girls had to study their Sassy's because it's all you had! There was no internet! No cell phones. I would study the JCPenney catalog too b/c it was like being on a desert island.
BUST is a great follow-up but it's targeted toward grown ladies who work. Sassy was for jr. high & high school girls. I found out all about how getting my period would go down from Sassy. BUST is going to tell me how childbirth will go down.
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I was probably too old for Sassy at the time, but read it anyway because I thought it was a great thing and I wish there was an adult version of sorts right now! Where is a fabulous American fashion magazine that doesn't have stupid "dress for your age" articles or only uses bone thin people for the editorial? Something fun, crafty, witty that you can look forward to every month without spending 12$ an issue on?
Where is the next Jane Pratt ??
I'm from the Sassy generation, and I've missed that magazine since the minute it went under. Jane came along, which was also fantastic, but nothing could beat Sassy. I often toy with the idea of making a "vintage" magazine (as in no Photoshop, all film photography, no mention of anything about the internet), but wonder if I could pull in an audience. But there's hope! I'll send you a free subscription if I ever take on the challenge. I'll even throw in a handshake and a flowbee haircut.
I love, love, loved Sassy magazine. There is even a book dedicated to how wonderful the magazine was and how it influenced so many young women is such a positive way. It is called How Sassy Magazine Changed My Life. I remember reading Sassy magazine cover to cover when it arrived for me in the mail. It was truly inspirational.
And I believe you are right about how this current generation doesn't have anything "subversive" because of the immediacy in which things catch on. It is also because we have the ability to step back into the past so easily (we can watch 80s commercials on youtube, search for old songs that we heard once a long time ago, we have ebay, etc..) and because of that loop it is difficult to make any effort or to make any difference as well in creating the kind of diy culture that you spoke of in your post. One thing I do see though is people making their own jewelry to sell, jewelry made up from vintage pieces, that is totally one of a kind. That is positive.
oh tavi, you're such a great writer.! you're blog is a refreshing change from everything else i read. i had so much fun reading this post.
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Quite a brilliant post indeed.
I've definitely heard people rave about Sassy before, but have never seen any excerpts from the actual magazine... and it does seem very awesome. And as per usual, love your commentary.
You look so fabulous with blonde hair.
(blondes rule *cough*)
I remeber looking at your blog when I first started mine- and you had...brown hair?
I think personally though- blue was best.
and you look wonderful in all the photos, and I almost died when I saw you wearing that proenza top- definatly one of my favorite collections.
Camilla
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You do raise a valid point in saying about "awkwards" becoming "popular," which could also imply that a magazine would need to be created that caters to everyone. Yet, speaking from an editorial perspective, that's impossible.
Also, about the internet. While it has erased a certain amount of "undergroundness," it has also given rise to voices of generations. Blogs, youtube, flickr, etc. are proving to be ways for a creativity to emerge and flourish. These outlets didn't exist before. So perhaps it isn't that all that's "weird" isn't becoming mainstream [though I do have to admit a majority is], but that those who are weird/like weird things have an different area to express themselves and to find a like-minded community. Essentially, I feel like that is what a magazine should do - create and support a community.
So then, what is the future EIC of the new Sassy supposed to do? The first step would be to define their demographic. As you state, there is no clear subculture that would be ideal to cater to. So maybe then the answer is just to answer "teenagers." A narrowing of audience would, in this environment, would result in no audience.
The next question would be format/content. As many magazines do already, the new Sassy should utilize the internet to full capacity. Make Youtube DIYs. Flick slideshows. There's possibilities out there that aren't being explored. I remember seeing a fashion editorial that was shot as a video and thinking "why aren't more magazine doing this? What a great concept?"
I'm not against print [I'm so for it], but it really seems like so many magazines are worried about the death of their printed journals rather then seeing how the online versions can enhance their publication as a whole.
I think I rambled.
[and for the record, I am so sick of Kristen Stewart interviews. She really isn't that original and comes off as kind of obnoxious.]
Maybe its not so grim, but just not about subculture or fashion anymore, I mean yes, it sucks that there is nothing like punk anymore, but those things were always more about attitudes anyway.maybe subversion today is just less obvious. Like when flash mobs first came around. Or the rude mechanical orchestra in NY, or street art like banksy. You can't point to those people and say,"oh yeah those people are totally (insert subculture here)" but they still exist everywhere, they just don't need to be part of some greater collective of other "alternatives" for it to work. John waters isn't known for being a hipster or a goth, hes known for being john waters. which is awesome.
Maybe Im wrong and were doomed, but I still get excited about lots of things these days.
I remember Sassy magazine, and I was about the same age. I would also like to see the back issues re-edited and printed for this generation. I still have a couple of issues myself (I have the Kurt/Courtney issue!!! Just found it in the stash!) and I hope to pass them onto my kids for some positive reading!
(And yes, I agree with the Kristen Stewart issue. Decent actress, but really obnoxious when it comes to her leave-me-alone attitude. If you don't want to talk to people, don't be an actress.)
I am bummed out right now thinking about how lucky I am to have been your age in the Sassy years. Many have mentioned Bust and I have to agree.
Everything that you said is so so true, and I'm gad that someone is voicing it. I've found that everyone still thinks being a hippie is weird, and things in hippiedom can get pretty far out lol...
So I didn't read any of the other comments, so perhaps your other commenters have already shared this bit of wisdom, but:
At least in my mind, what's so fucking awesome about magazines like Sassy--from the bit you excerpted about cultivating personal beauty and interests for your own sake (rather than to impress some guy), to the awesome DIY projects-- and what ultimately made Sassy subversive, was that it treats teenage girls like intelligent, capable, interesting people.
So in the end, it doesn't matter of the trends get co-opted by corporate America (as annoying as that is) or if no new subculture emerges for us to look back on fondly down the road (beatniks, hippies, punks, etc.) If you produce a magazine that actively engages girls and women, addresses to their interests & concerns, suggests cool DIY projects (even if they've been done before-- after all what hasn't?), and tells them they are smart & capable, that they can be fashionable and booksmart, that "fashion" is more than x-cookie cutter or a size 0, etc, etc-- that would be radical and subversive. And would empower a whole bunch of girls to feel more comfortable in their skin, their clothes and their smarts. And I really think you and/or some team of awesome teenage girls could make that happen.
Mostly, I know that I spent a lot of time and energy as a teenage girl trying to figure out how to be "original." Which though a worthy goal, is a losing battle, because everything has been done. It was such an amazing breakthrough when I stopped worrying about being original and instead just asked myself what I liked/wanted at any given moment. Which isn't exactly profound insight, but I think is a light bulb moment a lot of us have at one point or another, especially against the barrage of cultural forces telling us we should actually be this or that or the other.
So, not that it's in any way your job to make a new Sassy, but I thought it was worth saying that you totally could and it would be awesome.
I agree with you 100% on what you said in this post, Tavi. I am the same age as you, 14, and our generation is becoming quite hopeless. There aren't any cultures or subcultures (eg. punk, hippie, riot grrrl) like there were in our parent's generations. Now it is "cool" to be different, and everybody is trying to be different (which is still not being true to themselves, might I add). But that just makes everyone the same all over again.
Tavi, let's create an ABOVE GROUND movement!
We can create an army of hipsters and grandmamas!
We can rebel against the "popularity" of being strange and different!
We can rebel against our culture's commercial and cosmetic ways!
We can create a zine that is for teens of all types, not just the stereotypical type who is in love with Taylor Lautner and can't go anywhere without their makeup hiding their face (I hate how "beauty" is portrayed in magazines as this impossible perfection, which makes girls feel ugly and gross, and then, in the same magazine, there are articles about being a feminist and being proud to be a female)!!
Let's please do this, Tavi.
Anybody contact me if they want to become a part of this and make something happen. :-)
-Kaila
poppielolly.blogspot.com
I LOVE SASSY!
And I am also 13 you can buy them on ebay.
also Sassy was replaced buy a magazine called Dolly-created by the same person ect.
you can only buy dolly in australia and New Zealand I live in New Zealand so I could get you a copy of dolly its not as great as sassy but its interesting aimed at late teens. You can contact me through my blog.
www.poppy-rosy.blogspot.com
I LOVE THIS POST, THE COMMENTS, ETC.; MY BRAIN IS BLOWING UP.
um... I don't know if this is obvious or anything BUT your blog is kind of like a Sassy type thing and you're writing it!
CONCLUSION: you should write a magazine. I would read it at least.
hmmm.... this post made me stop and think
like in the last sentence."*Unfortunately, in the world of Liz Lee, liking "dorky" things justifies ragging on people simply because these people are blonde and like cheerleading -- in other words, because of their looks and interests."
that made me think. maybe you are right you know. im kinda like that in that sense. i critique other people for being too normal but now i think thats sorta not fair and hipocritical. but i guess i can judge a person for the kind of person they are
idk. this post made alot of sense but it also confused me a little. and thats good
I soo agree. Well I'm considered one generation ahead of yours so OF COURSE i agree. *feels old and wrinkly reading this post*
How about wearing a short skirt AND a t-shirt together? shocking!!!!!!!
Hi Tavi,
it´s weird for me, I had my "teenage years" in the mid-90s and it was difficult to get information about music, fashion, trends, etc, like now... and I liked more the last 80s first-90s culture, than the mid-late 90s, so I had some kind of nostalgia about how would be living the "grunge-era";... but anyway, I was going to comment about Sassy, I didnt read it, but it looks interesting and I think you are THE person to publish a magazine like Sassy, your own magazine with your style, and to contribute to make the 10´s a power decade!
:)
I have to disagree about your comment about subversive cultures. It is true that in America there are no real distinct underground movements happening at the moment, although in Europe this is not true. I lived in paris, London, and Amsterdam for a few years after I graduated high school and found that there were some very interesting and unique subcultures happening in these cities and throughout Europe. I do one day hope that the youth of America will again start another movement like this, and I am hopeful that it will happen. But I also agree that you should look into publishing a magazine like Sassy. that would be so cool!
cutoutandkeep.net is DIY heaven, pretty much the one-stop-shop.
The teens where I live are just generally alternative. No one typecast, just alternative. We wear tutus to our socials, listen to obscure bands and wear arm warmers. the entire point is not to be normal. We are all the same being different, but we are not normal.
I think this generation looks kind of like your blog AKA pretty awesome. Fuck Disney Channel "angst" and the endlessly circling cultural critiques that the internet churns out. Let's be interested in what we're interested in and make a modern day Sassy reflecting those interests. Ya hear me?
I used to sub to Sassy and Jane. I totally forgot about them. I had no idea either of them had ended...of course, its been awhile since I graduated HS in '87....
What you said about the underground catching on too quickly is certainly true. Have you read anything by Ranciere? He discusses the whole idea that, in today's age of the global spectacle, pretty much everything becomes a commodity: "Any protest is a performance, any performance is a spectacle, any spectacle is a
commodity, such is the grounding thesis of this post-Marxist and post-Situationist
wisdom". Most people agree on this. But unlike the other theorist who just shrug & say, "Oh, no, what a pickle we are in!", Ranciere is optimistic & suggests that we work with a REDISTRIBUTION of boundaries rather than struggling with the eternal oscillation between dichotomies like art/non-art, mainstream/alternative, high culture/pop culture etc.
Don't ask me how we're meant to do this. But. It's something to think about.
Man, I used to love Sassy so so much. I was only 11 and 12 wen I read it, as it went out of print when I was 13. Luckily, I was smart enough then to know what I had and kept all my issues!!
I think blogging is the new Sassy magazine.
melina bee
Just watch old episodes of Daria. It's like cartoon Sassy.
Truth be told, it was great (they also did a DIY with your old poofy prom dress that involved fishnet gloves, and a diary of street harassment that's still relevant, sadly), but they mentioned being poor a lot and that's how it would be today. Full of poor bleeding hearts with great ideas but not enough money to truly be subversive aka Jane magazine.
If it were a physical magazine, that is – you can 'pay' everyone with clippings, exposure, experience and good vibes except the printer.
Ahh.. when I was umm... 16, I had the exact same thoughts as you. Not necessarily a revival of Sassy, but an informed magazine for teenage girls and BOYS (ever notice how the word 'teen' excludes males, huh?, HUH?!) that focuses on fashion as well as things to make young people feel not-so-alienated. There is a magazine in Hong Kong called 'Milk' which focuses on 'Mong Kok' culture (ie; expensive t-shirts and chinese hipster junk), which was pretty unisex, and I used to buy many issues... but I digress.
There is a magazine in Canada called "Shameless", which includes a lot of what you are looking for in it, but doesn't take much of an interest in fashion...
In any case, it should definitely be print and not internet, because you can't cut-out and scrapbook internet mags (well, you can, but come on...), and you also can't have the enjoyable experience of going to the store and buying it.
You should look into Bust magazine, from what I know it is also out of print but is full of DIY stuff and intelligent articles...and always check used book stores magazine shelves
Alright. While I see your point I think there is something a bit immature about being caught up in whether something is underground or mainstream. The bottom line is: Do you like it? I don't care who does or doesn't listen to my type of music. I like a bit of everything. Some is obscure some isn't. The point is. I can't nix something I once liked because now it's being marketed. That seems foolish. I stick with the things I like: clothes, music, etc..And I can't really do better than that in terms of how I define my interests and my taste.
flowermash-I know, I poke fun at out-indiers too =/
Lillie Ries-It's not out of print, I read it! It's also great though I had in mind something more for teens.
Katherine-That's very interesting, thanks for giving me a brief heads up on Ranciere. Certainly more optimistic than me haha.
Michael-Allow me to correct myself-I meant in the United States!
Lapalomita-100%.
AFitz-Yeah, that one Dear Thurston where it's like "this girl is a slut! I like her boyfriend!"
WendyB-What a bizarre and bummertown story. I want to see that photo!
This is the most AMAZING article i've read in a long time!
Tavi Gevinson you mensch, I think I love you. All I could possibly say that you haven't already covered is: this positive and even trendy spin on subversiveness can be a good thing because it is empowering and because it dismantles the social hierarchy based on interest. You don't have to be the underdog or be misunderstood to genuinely appreciate Nirvana, as much as we would like to think you do. We search so much for a sense of individuality but at the end of the day we still seek the comforts of the collective--your desire for another Sassy makes that clear. But in today's world it's leaped off the page.
I think we need a publication like that again, to keep the rabel in check.
It does seems like everyone is trying to be that 'underdog' these days, I agree. Maybe when a person steps up who really enjoys what they look like, and doesn't feel nerdy in the slightest...they'll become this generation's underdog. You never know.
-Robyn
alot of guys too may feel uncomfortable with power or fame on women and sometimes can be a turn off.
im a gay guy who notices it upon myself. just as long as u stay true to yourself. beauty is an aesthetic but direction, personality and confidence is what i think makes a person.
the magazine looks great, maybe someday tavi can make something as amazing like this 'Sassy'.
http://boyfromnewy.blogspot.com/
"Sassy 2.0 would be subversive not by showcasing the weirdest tastes in music and fashion and books and movies, but by encouraging creativity and confidence..." Yes, I think that's the answer :-) And for inspiration, they should certainly have a look at what you're doing on this here blog!
OH man...
You are my hero!
*star eyes*
Speak the truth sister!
Even though most of it is, as you claim, in question form.
I could tell that you've read the lastest seventeen magazine.
As for your concerns...
There ARE other activites, hobbies, etc. that are not in the norm, even as of 2010, where, as you say, even "weird" things such as nerd glasses are considered cool. I mean, I want to read a magazine where it discusses interesting politics, ACTUAL hardcore survival stories (perhaps running along the lines of crab fishing or something crazy like that), and also the absence of contradictory, hypocritical images and text about beauty, etc. (Beauty myth and all... like non-abusive/negatively sexual, etc.) BUT also also the presence of healthy, unique messages of inner beauty, success, and all that cherry stuff.
Oh, and actual, PRACTICAL projects that require one to ACTUALLY "recycle" old clothes, things, etc. Rather than buying something "recyclably made"... DIY is always fun...
Such a great post to read and a wonderful conversation made by your pretty readers. ;D Keep on writing. ;D
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Thankfully, I grew up with Sassy. I was hoarding them in my room when I was probably too young to be reading them. I read all the other standards too, and I gotta say that Seventeen really took a nose dive. It was never as cool as Sassy, but there was a day when Julianna Hatfield (you seem to be fastidiously studying this time period so maybe you already know who she is!) was in an editorial, and the short fiction and advice columns used to be a lot edgier. Eventually, Sassy merged with TEEN magazine and turned to shit before disappearing altogether.
Anyway, you've hit the nail on the head, in that the internet changes everything. As a weird girl in a small town, I used to STRUGGLE so hard to cultivate my interests and I had to mail order a lot of music and clothes and everything... and when I first got the internet (around 1993!!!) I was one of only a few people in my town using it so using it for a tool to get information about music etc (there were a lot of riot grrl e-zines during this time period!)was still fairly exclusive. I would have fantasized about having so much at my fingertips as we do now, but it does kind of make things a whole lot less special.
One thing though. If Sassy existed now (and it does to some degree in the form of BUST), I'd like to believe there would be way more variety in terms of body types. I dealt with disordered eating as a teenager, and I have to say the image of the super cool, super hip, super thin, alternagirl waif promoted by none other than Sassy had more than a little to do with that.
Props that you're even bothering to educate yourself about these things.
- Leah (http://www.thefullnilson.com)
the really sad thing is that i was of the age to really appreciate sassy magazine and i didn't. i thought it was stupid and too mainstream teenage bullshit to even care. i was too busy looking back to the 60's and 70's to think that my culture (which i couldn't see) was really something special - because i was SURE that the 60's and 70's was WHERE IT WAS AT. sure, i loved nirvana and hole and smashing pumpkins and pearl jam and eddie vedder and all of it - but i took it al for granted. the paradox is that "youth is wasted on the young" and we all miss it when it's going on. perhaps you're missing something too, tavi. but i'm pretty sure you're right about taylor swift........ and i'm pretty sure you're not missing anything; i'm just challenging you.....
im old enough to have had the pleasure of reading Sassy. and i totally made a tie skirt because of it!
I've thought very similar things, but I couldn't have put them in word like you just did. Thanks.
Tavi, I've been reading your blog for about a year (yes, sorry, wasn't one of those OH-SO-ON-THE-TREND type people) and this is the best posts I have ever seen. I'm fourteen, and couldn't agree more about everything stated here. A magazine like Sassy would appeal to so many girls, women, and even boys possibly, because it provides a realistic depiction of life that simply isn't shown in the popular 'youth culture' of today. The modern magazine market -for children and adolescents- has titles for young girls and teenagers that only work to a certain cut-out format of real teens. Their 'articles' won't help anyone in the short-term or long-term, and they don't make their readers happier or better-adjusted. Instead of forgetting them once you've flipped through the pages a little, the modern Sassy magazine needs to provide articles and ideas that make its readers think and show ideas and beliefs in a different light.
Executed properly, an auspicious magazine like this, even in the 10's, could really educate girls and change their attitudes. I would be goddamn proud to buy a copy.
Quotation from Maya Angelou, "I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass."
Oh my god I love you! not in a touchy-feely kinda way... but damn your point of views!
//Nanna
Oh my god I love you! not in a touchy-feely kinda way... but damn your point of views!
//Nanna
This sounds like an amazing magazine! And I made a skirt out of ties like that a few years ago. I'm sure I still have it somewhere..
I was a Sassy subscriber when it skipped a month and suddenly I started receiving Teen magazine instead. The day I realized Sassy was gone was a sad, sad day.
I don't remember Sassy being indie or alt, I remember it being a mag I enjoyed because it covered a gamut of topics - not just how to be pretty for boys. This was also satisfactory for my mom who disapproved of Seventeen and the like.
Perhaps it would be nice to have another Sassy for the next generation, but, remember, we didn't have the blogs and other numerous avenues the Internet now provides for girls to get intelligent commentary on everything from fashion to world events to self image. Maybe the answer is someone compiling what smart girls like yourself are already doing.
not sure if you have heard of this or not- http://www.frankie.com.au/ , it certainly doesn't sound as profound as Sassy but it is probably kindof like a watered down version ... still worth a read now and again :D:D
Part of me feels really pleased that you are finding all these things - I grew up in the era and get feminist thrown at me like it's meant to be an insult - but there are a lot of people that confuse sexism with feminism or think feminists are all butch lesbians. It gets tired very quickly - but you seem to be discovering the very true underbelly of the whole scene and adapting it to your lifestyle - and that is a good thing in my eyes. I think it was Courtney Love that said don't settle for being the rock stars wife be the rock star - ok she didn't say it quite as politely as that but.......
tavi, you should start this new sassy you speak of. maybe not today, but eventually, when you can. i think you're the only person who could do it justice. of course, it would likely have to be an online website-magazine because printing stuff out is dying. and it would likely get really popular really quick. but it could still be cool.
also, if you like DIY stuff you should check out www.threadbangers.com, if you haven't already.
as always, loved the post. =)
Vogue Gone Rogue
A cool DIY idea... Hmmm... Making a rice tonic. You can search it on YouTube, it's and idea of Michelle Phan.
Love the post :D
xoxo Sootjeelina <3
I think that comment made by Lapalomita is so spot on.
I take issue with any magazine trying to give me "dating rules" or "dressing for your body type", or worst of all telling me that "smart is the new pretty" (WTF????!!) rather than what i would really like, which is content aimed at inspiring and empowering to me to do something AMAZING with my life- or even to just be able to try something new/silly/fun- sans the artificial "everything is perfect because the world is perfect" gloss that seems to pervade teen magazines.
Sassy seemed to address the complex nature of being a teenager while never attempting a patronising omniscience. It tried to give girls the tools to live, succeed and be happy in a world which sometimes punishes individuals/sluts/dorks/etc.
I will lament the day when there isn't SOMEONE, anyone, out there asking the questions like you are asking here. Its just that now there isn't an archiveable object with a sort of nostalgic validity which unites all the people asking the same questions (but blogs are pretty up there for me in terms of uniting people and opening dialogues and communications between teenagers/adults).
Hey Tavi, great post! I think it's interesting to think about technology as the cause of all this "sameness" that our generation is experiencing. Someone earlier on mentioned that you--yourself, and other young bloggers like you--are this subversive culture you lament is missing. This is probably true; however, there is no inherent "togetherness" in blogging, as there was in other generational subcultures and movements. Technology has isolated us, but also made us more capable of following trends and seeking out the "subversive" to the extent that it then becomes mainstream.
ok, and now you made me want to read the magazine too, if only my 8 year old self knew about sassy
So cool, did they ever sell it in the UK?
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you know i feel like we should rebel rebel against boys.ans the need to be perfect.there i was today walking down the street.i just got my haircut and it was too clean .so unnatural.i wanted to mess it up.i felt so real in my scruffed converse and grungy denim jacket (that dosnt make me look thin just sruffy) i felt this is who i want to be im compfrotable in this.and hell yh .
so lets rebel againstt this not so perfect world that we live in that pushes us to be perfect and be scruffy .and just BE WHO WE WANT TO BE! not anyone elses stupid ideas.
I think you should use your famous internet powers and make said magazine! Get some designers, get some writers, set up a website and bam! make a magazine featuring feminists, DIY projects, get some people to write about some really cool yet unknown bands, get girls all around the world to make their own photoshoots etc.
I personally like the way internet has submerged subcultures into pop culture. It introduces people to things they would've otherwise never heard about before, it introduces people to actual good movies/books/music as opposed to an internetless world where if you live in a small town it's practically impossible to get to know subcultures, even feminism etc. What can ever be wrong in that??
Ah yes, as one of your "older" readers, this post speaks to me more than you can imagine. I was addicted to fashion mags when I was a teenager and Sassy was my number one. For years, I kept all the DIY articles but at some point I must have thrown them out. Damn me! They had such a fresh take on what young girls wanted and needed. I wish we could get back to that.
that comparison made me laugh courtney love and kurt cobain, then there miley cyrus and that liam guy. :)
xx
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I love this post, I hate Miley Cyrus, I really want Sassy now, and I agree, nothing is subversive anymore.
Nicole I agree with what you said. I don't remember Sassy being Indie either. I think it's because when you are "in" something you don't see it for what it is ya know? Like Tavi now. I do distinctly remember riding the school bus in my baby doll dress and mary janes and being plastered to Sassy and thinking the writers were kind of snarky. I wondered if they were secretly making fun if us with their sarcastic tones?! And isn't that pic of Johnny Depp Hot?
The most correct part of this entry is "now everyone is a nerdy underdog, no one is a nerdy underdog". I can't agree more. For some reason being "different" is now cool. But what is different, and how does anyone have the right to define different? Magazines like "Shout" and "Sugar"? (My english equivelent of Seventeen im guessing?)They're normal average girl consits of this apparent picture of "normal" but the deal is, everything is normal. No one can correctly define different. Using an example of yours, why is Demi Lovato (Or how ever you spell her name!!) different for liking screamo? She is being herself, which is normal. She probably thinks people who listen to Ke$ha or a lil bit of Kanye are totally weird and different.
So yes, someone needs to be gutsy. SOMEONE (COUGH COUGH TAVI COUGH COUGH) needs to be SASSY and make a SASSY #2. For our generation.
xx
That magazine sounds amazing. I'm so fed up of people claiming to be an individual when they are really following a trend. Listening to rock doesn't make you an outcast. Wearing band shirts and Converse doesn't make you any different to any other kids you would happen upon when outside. Being yourself is truly the only way to be individual. If you genuinely enjoy having blond hair and cheerleading, then you're being yourself, and that's what's going to make you happy with yourself at the end of the day.
And I can't stand teen magazines these days, I don't really want to know the '12 steps to getting abs in 54 weekz OMG!!!11!!!'
Omg, Tavi! Your my new hero :) I 100% agree!
Your posts inspire me so much <3
wow i love this post a lot. as do other people, i can see. haha. i'm originally from west virginia, and there i have to say in general the geek-is-popular thing has not caught on at all. in my high school, girls in their barely-there and ripped up hollister jean skirts with popped collar polos and really ugly "designer" bags would look at me weirdly just for wearing shorts and tights. (i was literally THE ONLY person who did that in my entire high school). not saying i didn't have friends. i was a band geek and i had a HUGE group of friends through band and art.
now i'm in college. i go to a well-respected art school in maryland and there are people here from all over the country, even the world. here, all the weird art kids are all in one place! there is nobody here that is not artistic. so, we have this weird reversal thing going on. the weirdest, craziest hipsters seem to be at the top. where as the most normal people are almost the weirder ones. it's the oddest thing going back and forth between my home and where i go to college. for the record, i am somewhere in between the crazy hipsters (and i say crazy with a lot of love, here) and the normal people that tuck their sweatpants into uggs (don't make me start about that, btw). the fashion here is amazing though and it's nice to be able to wear what clothes i want to wear in peace.
now, i'm not really sure what i'm trying to say. maybe that i go between a place that doesn't accept the new geek trend and a place that is completely the opposite. maybe what i'm trying to say is...MOVE TO WEST VIRGINIA! wait, no. that's not what i'm trying to say. please don't. it's not very good.
well, anyway, all in all, i completely agree with everything you said! and i wasn't planning on typing this huge comment out, but it just sort of happened. also, that kurt/courtney cover is PRICELESS. i was alive in the early nineties (born in '91) but i barely even knew what music was, much less the whole counterculture thing. haha.
Tavi, have never commented on your blog before, but this post is so spot on and intelligent, I just had to say "Bravo". You are such a precocious girl, it's unbelievable and it inspires me, a so-called "adult" woman. I think maybe you should find a team of bloggers to unite with you, get sponsored by Dove's "Real Women" campaign, and start your own online "Sassy"-esque magazine, and it will explode. Call it Sassy 2.0!
dear tavi,
let's start a magazine. you write, i'll take the photos and do the layout. it'll be grand and it'll be full of burritos, fake disney princesses, death metal lead singers who grow flowers, pin bugs, taxidermy, '20s perfume bottles and grandmas who enjoy bike riding.
sound like a plan, stan?
*caroline*
http://louiseorvalentine.blogspot.com
Sassy was a huge influence on me when I was your age. It inspired me in so many ways. I've kept all my old copies - despite the questions I get about them when I have to move - and think that if I ever have a teenage girl, I will pass them down to her.
Ohmigosh, YOU SHOULD START A PETITION.
Bring Sassy back!
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Tavi, I'm skipping over most of the comments to agree with those I did read that say you and your friends are the only ones who can create Sassy 2.0 and that you should and can be editor in chief, NOW. I think you need a new big project anyway. There are probably a lot of adult professional writers and editors, including me, who would be glad to take on assignements pro bono, (I bet John Waters would contribute, as well as dooce, aka Heather Armstrong), but I think most of the content should be generated by members of your own age group. God forbid, you could even take some paid advertising, of your own moral choice, to underwrite some costs.
The magazine sounds great xoxo
Totally agree- even though I have never read Sassy (but we do have iFruit in our library), I agree that most magazines (and heck, all media in this age) and "subcultures" are shallow and completely mainstream. Everything is so empty and just playing out the trends, and we need more honest, real media that caters to what teenagers really want.
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I really really really love this post, and I really really want a Sassy-like mag, too.
hey tavi - why don't you start a new sassy. jane was young when she started.
This post might be one of my most favorite ever. Nice writing!
that's a great advice column and i want sassyyy
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Cheers to you Tavi!!! on making one hell of post! really underdoghisy hahaha! no i mean i like the way you think!
Good gawd, did I love Sassy. I remember my freshman year in high school, they had a contest to find the Sassiest Girl in America, and my Twin and I made our mom take pictures of us being sassy all over the damned place, and then we both made huge poster-sized story boards with cut out pictures of ourselves, and from magazines, etc..., and sent them in to Sassy for their polite consideration of our sassiness.
We did not win.
But I remember the girl who did (even all these years later...), and she was pretty awesome. (But she wasn't ME, so I still didn't believe she was the sassiest, dammit.)
I outgrew Sassy right before they went under and stopped publishing. But damn if that magazine didn't help me through 3 (or 4?) very turbulent years in my life. Another Sassy would be fucking AWESOME.
Oh, and nice post, btw. I love your photo posts a lot, too, but when you write like this, it reminds me why I liked you so much in the first place all those months ago. :D
Tavi, I LOVE your long posts... You're so brilliant and always completely right.
Tavi, I too adored Sassy! Please check out Bust. It is without a doubt the new Sassy. I swear!
Tavi, I would buy this magazine if it existed. And I'm 36... (and European). Just to let any potential publishers among your readers know that there is a market...
BTW love your blog. Wish I was just half as cool and confident as you at 14. Or ever :)
i also remember Jane magazine being a fantastic and POSITIVE read for young women. i remember when they folded half way thru my subscription and Glamour magazine started coming in its place... #SADFACE
Its funny that you published this post today because I have been thinking a lot recently about why we need another magazine like SASSY, to inspire and teach us. I would love to be a part of such a magazine, I think it is needed in todays world, so if you plan on doing such a magazine, let me know! :)
I think that anything that is different is quickly synthetized so it gets mainstream for five seconds...sad.
memories!
There is a magazine in Canada that is sort of like Sassy called Shameless. You should check it out. Maybe you can get a subscription to the USA? http://shamelessmag.com/
you are truly grand
Sassy was also great for teenage guys (I always snagged my sister's subscription). That's where I first encountered Spike Jonze! And there really was a great mix of clothing, style, and music. It was a nice complement to all the punk zines of the time.
Sassy 2.0 would need to be an online magazine (edited!). Something along the lines of Salon or Slate, but tweeked for teens. Too bad there isn't anyone with the social network and internet know-how to do this...hmmm.
I really know what you mean, being a 13 year old girl too."Popular" is so weird nowadays. You think that popular means "preppy sluts wearing pink" or you think of Regina George. But it's really not that simple. Converse isn't some cool thing no one knows about anymore and the Beatles are actually really famous. Sometimes you wish you could just put it all into a bin labeled "popular/mainstream" to make it easier, then you wouldn't feel let down because you have to change yourself because everything you like is too "popular". And then some other underground thing comes up and the whole thing starts over. I just wish we didn't have to spend so much time worrying about if we're unique or not and more time about being ourselfs. You were originally the one who made me admit that I like Lady Gaga... I was afraid that people would tell me I was unoriginal for liking her. But now I (try) to think, "So what if I like Aercrombie [even though I don't] and think Jusin Bieber's song are catchy [guilty]? Why does it matter? I'm myself and that's all that really matters."
i highly recommend 'frankie' magazine - it is sort of along the same lines. a little more modern but so lovely and unlike any other magazine out there - its cute and quirky and interesting and different. unfortunately it is australian and i have attempted to get it here in canada but it seems impossible. but a lady like you with such power may be able to get these sorts of things...:)
google it or frankie.com.au
You are SO right. I've been waiting for someone to say 'Wait.. why are all those Disney girlies saying they're supposedly weird and geeky when they're Disney girlies?'. If everybody wants to be the weird outcast, no one can be anymore.
I wish there was a magazine out there when I was about 14. I was so insecure about everything back then, but the only thing I read in magazines was 'how to get that cute guy in your math class' and 'how to really get rid of your acne'. It saddens me that teenmagazine-creators (yes that's probably not a good word but I'm on a rant and can't really think of anything better) think teenage girls that superficial and materialistic, and can't even feed us the slightest bit of intelligence.
One of the best pieces written by you. Inspired.
I really like Liz, and I really like you, Tavi. But I don't like your ragging on Liz. If you understood the show, maybe you'd get it. Cori is not a cheerleader on the show; yes, she's blonde; but she was VERY MEAN. ...that's all.
Why the hell is everyone telling her to use her connections and the internet to resurrect the idea of Sassy? Her point was obvi about abandoning convention (ie using the internet so everyone can be "cool," hence the refs to the trend of geek glasses).
I think that you can do something fantastic, but I think you can do something fantastic in a new way.
I have never read "Sassy" because I am German an was born in 1991, so on...
We have the same magazines you have (and btw Europe always complains that this actually comes from America), the ones for 13-year-old-omg-I-SO-LOVE-TAYLOR-LAUTNER-kids - and if you dont wanna be like that you can choose between angry-gothic-kid or whiny-emo-kid or evil-hiphop-kid. if you're lucky you're even served in one single magazine, no matter what you chose.
in fact, everyone is complaining about these mags - they're sexist, vulgar, stupid, superficial...
and everyone reads them.
what characterized an underdog was his or her non-popularity when he was actually doing stuff. you will only talk admiringly about such an underdog these days when he got popular after his suicide, natural death or whatever.
it is just always a phase, like a circle or natural process.
something sucks -> it gets popular, underdoggish, whatsoever. -> then it sucks because it was popular
we can be sure that it will again be gorgeous after a while.
people consider you gorgeous at the moment, Tavi - and I am pretty sure that now that you are kinda "commercial" and "not underdog anymore" there will appear some anti-Tavis and anti-Isabelles and anti-Bryanboys who are strictly against your "fashion-elitarism" (cause this is what they will be calling it) and demand more individualism because THIS IS what everyone is seeking! creating the perfect draft for making people perfeclty individual - but this is impossible because it is a paradoxon.
and what my question is: why should that be the plan? why trying to "make" people individuals if we all agreed on that each of us is individual from the day he or she was born? do crappy teen magazines make us un-individual and can we trust into other "better" magazines preventing us from that? and what kind of idol will they give to us?
what also characteristics an underdog is that noone wants to be like him or her - and that is the key. what do you think - how many girls out there want to be Miley Cyrus? or Selena Gomez? or - and I do not want to offend - you?
as I said, I never read Sassy but what would count for me: intelligent articles which are made for intelligent girls. things to kind of open your mind, to encourage you to be interested in your environment.
the sort of "breeding" indivuduals, no-matter-what!!! is what seems to be the problem.
hi from Germany, and I hope my English is not too awful but here it is twenty past midnight right now. :)
I think 'Christina' upthread has a point. Nothing will make you appreciate nerdy outsiders being the in thing more than a trip to the midwest (sorry, certain towns in the midwest) where afterschool special-style prom queens and dumb jocks still reign supreme.
I honestly became teary-eyed while reading this post. Sassy magazine was one of the most important influences on me when I was growing up in the nineties. I was 10 when I read my first Sassy; my older friend Emily had a subscription and I was spend the entire time at her house reading the magazine. I can almost quote parts of it in detail. I immediately got my own subscription, and I was a faithful subscriber until the end of Sassy, when it was sold but kept the same name for a few issues of shame. I still have many issues, but they are tattered and wrinkled with so much love. Also, I routinely clipped items and posted pages on my walls, so many are missing huge parts. Incredibly, I found a box full at a library sale in NC when I was in high school.
Sassy Magazine was the best magazine in history. I have always wanted to publish a book containing actual pages from the magazine for a younger generation. It makes me so happy to hear that you are reading it! Issues pop up on ebay ever-so-often, but they are incredibly expensive. If I ever visit your town, or if you ever visit North Carolina, please get in touch with me and I will let you scan every single one of them!
hopefully your request will be heard! Thanks for the blog post that I'm sure has been a voice of many... handmade jewelry
Also, you should read Bust Magazine! I once posted a request somewhere asking people for recommendations of magazines like Sassy, and Bust was the major reply!
I would LOVE to be involved in a new Sassy Magazine. I am currently working as a high school Journalism teacher, and I have business and marketing experience, so we should gather up a group of people and start it, on the web and with a small print issue to send out to people!
"And when everybody is the nerdy underdog, no one is the nerdy underdog."
I know what you mean and I'm a whole lot older than you old enough to be a Cougar Mom! I often thought it was ironic that back in the day of real punk style, people were expressing themselves and working hard at being nonconformists - until everybody was walking around looking like the lead singer of the Cure...and so the preppy became the nonconformist by default. And it goes on and on...
tavi, *you* should be on the cover! and write all the articles!! "sassy" would be like a paper form of your blog!! WHICH WOULD BE SUPER AMAZING FANTASTICAL!!!! YAYERS!!
Oh, and by the way -- you are gorgeous (you really can't see that?) and fascinating. Can't speak to the outgoing, although you seem poised and forthright enough in videos. One of the few things I did right at your age, and way before that and throughout high school was to have guys as really good friends. It's critical for your functioning in the professional world as well as for having a good marriage, if you want that, not to mention doubling your potential friendship base. I see that you already have at least one good guy friend, and he's the kind I mean.
That quote by Thurston, I AGREE. Why hasn't anyone ever told ME this before! Such a great quote.
Also this mag sounds great, this is the first i've heard of it. You should give it a second run at life!
i absolutely agree with you. it's true, now days when the concept of underdog is commercialized, no one is an underdog. it's like if you wore you're black eyeliner like a human and panda half breed, and suddenly you're misunderstood and all alone in the world. calling yourself non-conformist and calling other people shallow, whilist, you yourself crushing on the most popular and handsome guy in school, like every other girl in the school. where is the non-conformism in that? so you like star wars and video games, but that doesn't mean you're different.i myself love opera music, but i also have deep fondness of boy bands especially j-pop and k-pop. if you follow the 'underdog logic of labelling people', i should be shallow but deep. oxymoron... i think people should just stop labeling themselves, human are complex creatures. we are multifaceted and can not be define by few stereotypical labeling, especially labeling just according to your interests and teenage hormones.
I just saw you on FT and I honestly cannot get enough of you and your blog! I think you are so inspiring that I took the liberty to write about you on my blog. You are HOT girl!
Check it out: http://mindblogging-jessica.blogspot.com/
Love your work!
The really sad thing is that Sassy was based on an Aussie mag, Dolly, which still exists but now features stars like Miley.
The really sad thing is that Sassy was based on an Aussie mag, Dolly, which still exists but now features stars like Miley.
I repeat to my goddess tavi, "I say all of us norm folk boycot planet earth and move to Pluto. ummmkay?"
UMKAY
Okay, I guess I'm in the minority here, but I'm sort of confused. I usually LOVE this blog and Tavi, I thought you were all for being yourself. Aren't you ragging on Liz Lee because of HER looks and interests? By criticizing her for wearing trying-too-hard glasses and liking stereotypical hipster things, you're doing just what you claimed she did. If you really watch the show, by the way, Liz doesn't hate the cheerleaders because they're cheerleaders - she hates them because they bullied her when they were her friends. Her journey to what you call hipster-dom was about finding herself.
I guess what I'm saying is, don't get mad at others for being what you perceive as judgmental and then do it yourself. Even if someone seems to fit into a stereotype, they might just be trying to be themselves. We're all trying to figure out how we fit into this crazy world. You've disappointed me, Tavi. Usually you act years above your age but here you sound like a little kid. I'm sorry you so long for a generation you weren't born into. But I for one think it's great that my friends at school find it hip that I like thrift shopping and "indie" bands. I don't need Kurt Cobain and Courtney Love, because to me, the cool kids are celebrities like Natalie Portman.
Grow up, Tavi. Learn to find cool-ness in what you have, and stop judging others for who they are. Realize you can be friends with the hipsters, the cheerleaders, and the nerds. Realize not everyone is out to get you or threaten the "indie-ness" you are so proud of. You can have Kurt Cobain, Tavi, because I for one love listening to Taylor Swift.
by the way, have you looked into YM magazine? i loved it even more than sassy
I love reading all these posts from you about your exploration into the world of riot grrrl, zines, Sassy, & etc. While I do enjoy reading about your fashion happenings, and opinions, it's refreshing to see this side of you. It's a nice break from the over saturated world of fashion blogging.
I can completely relate to the distaste left in the mouth by the commercialized indie girl/boy aka Liz Lee. I'll be honest, I sat down to watch the show with an open mind but was turned off pretty quickly.
My personal issue with her is that the entire show wasn't based around her different tastes or "indie" things she was into. It was all about indie vs popular, funny colored hair vs the blondes, star wars kids vs the jocks. I would have appreciated her more, if she had actually done something productive for the so called indie community she was so much a part of. However, instead of being relatable, I think she just left us all rolling our eyes at her constant hatred towards the "preps".
Keep on doing what you're doing, and don't stop pursuing this journey to create the next Sassy or a feminist group in your town. You are what this generation of teenagers needs as a leader, to show them there is more to life than just reality tv.
Today I wrote a piece about the return of the Baby-Sitter's club and the powerful message it once held for girls my age in the 80s/90s. I only hope that a new generation will find that same message of empowerment and female entrepreneurship that I once did.
And when you do start Sassy 2.0 I will be applying for a position. hahah.
XOX.
i havent read through your 175 comments, so maybe this has been said, but YOU SHOULD DO THIS! you as a 14 year old young woman have already turned the fashion world on its head with the success of your blog, collaborated with a MAJOR CORPORATION + very successful designers .. all without losing your mind!
DO IT! make it your high school honors project or something and then sell it.
this reminds me of you: http://thesartorialist.blogspot.com/2010/04/on-streetlynn-yeager-paris.html
well, the internet has failed me.
there's some quote by some old greek guy that goes something like "the most ordinary desire of all men is to be extradordinary" only i can't find it.
but anyways, we're all trying so hard to be special that we can't be, which is basically what you said. we can probably trace that back to old american fronteir values of rugged individualism and all that, but i don't think we should bother right now.
basically what i think is that we we all want to be special in a group. its kindof pathetically ironic. only one or two of us are really brave enough to try something new anyways, and as soon as they do it isnt new anymore because those one or two have legions of followers who think they're super cool.
and it seems like all anybody can find to feel different about are trends from the past. we're not hippies, we're "green", we're not punks, we're "emo" or "alternative", etc., etc. which is even MORE pathetically ironic, since all they're doing is stealing trends we're too young to know anything about and making them more contemporary, and feeling REALLY super cool about it.
AND we only hate those blonde cheerleader types because it makes us think we've actually accomplished something. which is even more pathetic and hypocritcal too! and those blondies hate everybody else not only because everybody else hates but because they think they're cool because they didn't give in to this indie trend thats going on.
so basically... lets find our OWN creativity and get rid of all this self-righteousness and we're good to go.
but dont hold your breath :)
Tavi, for your age, you've got a GREAT head on your shoulders.
Sincerely,
Sarah from The Etiquette Cult
Tavi- it's up to you! make it! people will read it!
Wonderful post. I may have a few suggestions for you, if you're interested. Whether you're looking for what today's DIY magazine may look like (to create the next 'Sassy') or find something to read in the meanwhile, I'd strongly recommend finding a copy of BUST magazine at some point (there are other magazines to check out, but this is the first that came to mind). Yes, this is clearly an adult feminist magazine and isn't geared towards teens, but this was my favorite magazine at 15. If you want intelligent articles, amazing crafts, or fun hairstyles with directions, this is a good place to start. Like I said, I keep my eye open, but as you said, we don't quite have a Sassy-style magazine for girls today.
I really miss Sassy. I was a subscriber until they got bought out. I'm not sure if anyone one else suggested this but I really like Venus Zine (http://www.venuszine.com).It's mainly a music and culture mag geared towards us ladies. It first started as a zine by a college student. Also, they are based in Chicago so maybe you can apply to be an intern! You can always start your own online zine! Good luck!
Everyone in the whole world uses that paint brush wording now.
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This probably means that I've forgotten what it's like to be 13, but.... Why do you need a fashion magazine (or any magazine, but fashion in particular) to tell you any of that?
This is not meant to be a rhetorical question. I really wish you'd think about this yourself.
It's thoughts like this and people like you that are the fire behind something like Sassy. Or anything epic.
Go girl. Go and don't stop.
Seriously great writing! Funny and witty, and the mag sounds great!
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like you, i did not grow up in the time of sassy magazine and also like you, am dying for another one or something like it to come about. this blog really inspired me and something must be done. i think a blog Sassy2 or something of the like should start. just some suggestions as i have been thinking about this for awhile and seriously considering starting something of the like...
please email me if this is something you would be interested in doing! i'm only 15 btw but i love your blog ohgod im creepy okk
analeegraig@yahoo.com
Like many others have said, you should look into this - creating something like this for your generation.
I was a Sassy girl, and a Jane girl for a little while until it started to become something else - and I miss it. There's nothing like it out there anymore, and I think now (more than ever, maybe) the younger female generation need something like this.
marketing independent subversive styles to the whole world is stripping us of our independence and individualism!
p.s our generation seems more stuffed up, useless and confused than any other before
While waiting for a resurrection of Sassy, try this as a surrogate:
http://www.cut-magazine.com/
It's a young German magazine all about individual styles and - most importantly - DIY fashion.
Just discovered it a few months ago and fell in love with it - as with your blog.
Enjoy.
Or become the Anna Wintour of your own Sassy mag!!
wow, if there were a Sassy magazine that is exactly how you describe it, than I would be absolutely addicted to it. But what are we/you waiting for? If there's no magazine like that, we'll MAKE a magazine like that.
XOXO
BTW, I really liked this posts. I laughed out loud at least three times.
love this magazine,
jhonny depp's cover is the best!
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love this magazine,
jhonny depp's cover is the best!
follow me
http://over180bpm.blogspot.com
love this magazine,
jhonny depp's cover is the best!
follow me
http://over180bpm.blogspot.com
i pretty much agree with you on these things, but it really annoys me when you mention your dislike of kristen stewart. i would have thought you'd like her because she isn't conforming to the typical hollywood teen. in any interview i've seen of her she is intelligent and gracious as well as being pretty awkward, essentially reacting like a normal teenage girl rather than spewing out the media trained bullshit someone like miley cyrus speaks. have you seen into the wild? granted kristen stewart isn't its main star but she's pretty great in it, and most of her films have some sort of integrity. she's made it clear that she didn't realise twilight was even popular, and so she bites her lip, what of it?! i bite my lip when i'm nervous.
johnny depp is fricking beautiful.
I acutally am old enough to have read Sassy!!! But I think I was too young to understand its brilliance...!!!
J'ADORED this post.
X
dude, you ALREADY ARE the Sassy of te 10's
Nowadays, nobody does something different. Everything is put is the way to sell a lot, you're or super-famous or unknown. There's no middle. But all is average, and people like you, which is outstanding, should act. There's no solutions in staying and saying "all is wrong". We should change
You can do something, maybe more than waking-up minds
But NOT a Sassy 2.0 !!! Just the name prouve that's not a real thing ! It should be sincere, spontanious.
And we realize about it ... so we aren't in that way of thinking. Ans that IS a such good thing.
You particulary are different.
(My english is so bad ... I wish I could say what I think because it sounds strange and doesn't look like it mean. Hope you'll understand)
you are such an amazing writer xx
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